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Old 06-22-2017, 05:18 PM
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Personally, I tend to look at modern progress in this way.
I ask myself "Would the locals from 1888 like an open, bright Mitre Square of today or have it as it was..namely poorly lit, dirty and enclosed one of 1888?"

You bet they would have preferred today's version.

So for me..the change betters the place. Lets face it, nobody would want it as it was..covered in horse muck, dimly lit and clearly dangerous to walk there. The historical, romantic view isn't realistic in 2017. It isn't exactly St.Paul's Cathedral.
i.e. not worth keeping as was. Dorset Street as was? Berner Street as was?..no thanks.

Someone was once murdered in Mitre Square.
Nothing to celebrate imho.

One can still show respect there.



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Personally, I tend to look at modern progress in this way.
I ask myself "Would the locals from 1888 like an open, bright Mitre Square of today or have it as it was..namely poorly lit, dirty and enclosed one of 1888?"

You bet they would have preferred today's version.

So for me..the change betters the place. Lets face it, nobody would want it as it was..covered in horse muck, dimly lit and clearly dangerous to walk there. The historical, romantic view isn't realistic in 2017. It isn't exactly St.Paul's Cathedral.
i.e. not worth keeping as was. Dorset Street as was? Berner Street as was?..no thanks.

Someone was once murdered in Mitre Square.
Nothing to celebrate imho.

One can still show respect there.



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Yeh, I'll have that Phil. Good point well made!!!


Just out of interest, would one of those blue plaques be in poor taste?
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:38 AM
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At least the name hasn't changed, what was once a relatively quiet place to sit and think is now a modern toilet, whoever designed this abomination should hang their head in shame.
I'm sure it was a good earner for them. Still looks like a crappy modern open space where, to the casual observer, nothing of note could ever or would ever happened here.
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Personally, I tend to look at modern progress in this way.
I ask myself "Would the locals from 1888 like an open, bright Mitre Square of today or have it as it was..namely poorly lit, dirty and enclosed one of 1888?"

You bet they would have preferred today's version.

So for me..the change betters the place. Lets face it, nobody would want it as it was..covered in horse muck, dimly lit and clearly dangerous to walk there. The historical, romantic view isn't realistic in 2017. It isn't exactly St.Paul's Cathedral.
i.e. not worth keeping as was. Dorset Street as was? Berner Street as was?..no thanks.

Someone was once murdered in Mitre Square.
Nothing to celebrate imho.

One can still show respect there.



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Nah!! I realise that there has to be change over time, and I realise that places like Mitre Sq don't have to be saved just because someone was once murdered there.
My objection to this sort of thing is that London should still look and feel like London.
With all these gleaming tall sterile office blocks and white souless open areas sprouting up everywhere, London now feels and looks like many an identikit US city.
At this rate it won't be long before our black cabs are painted yellow.
Go to Paris, they still have the same looking streets with the same cobbles and still with the musket shots inbedded dating back to the revolution.

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Old 08-17-2018, 01:06 PM
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Am I right in thinking that Durwood Street is the only location left weíre you can get some kind of sense of the murder site?

Iím pretty sure thatís the location left out of some tours too.
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Am I right in thinking that Durwood Street is the only location left weíre you can get some kind of sense of the murder site?

Iím pretty sure thatís the location left out of some tours too.
Hi,
Not to sure of that anymore, last time I looked it was closed off due to the construction of Cross rail taking place.

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Old 08-17-2018, 02:40 PM
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Am I right in thinking that Durwood Street is the only location left we’re you can get some kind of sense of the murder site?
Your best bet is the arched entrance and cobbles of Gunthorpe Street, which was once the way to George Yard buildings. It's only a short stretch of walkway, and not exactly the site of Tabram's murder, but it's still atmospheric.
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I’m going to London again for my annual break in October but I think I’ll avoid ripper tours as everything’s disappearing. Gareth’s right though that Gunthorpe Street is atmospheric and worth a visit. The White Hart’s a nice pub too. Two years ago me and a friend tried to see Durward Street but we couldn’t get near it due to road works. I’m not sure if it’s accessible now or even if there’s anything left to see? I’ve been on around 6 tours and none of them went to Durward Street or Henrique Street. I don’t think that Duvall Street even exists any more?

Only just seen Spyglass’ post. Yes it was a Cross Rail thing.
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Was there ever any effort or movement to preserve these sights?

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Old 08-18-2018, 11:15 AM
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Was there ever any effort or movement to preserve these sights?

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Not as far as Iím aware c.d. but I donít think that the suggestion of preserving murder sites would have gone down very well. Itís a pity that there isnít film footage of Mitre Square as it was though (and the other sites come to think of it.) The best that we get is the very short bit of footage taken in the yard of 29 Hanbury Street in The London Nobody Knows. Pity they didnít film James Mason walking from the street to the yard.
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