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His "career" seems to have occupied three different phases. He murdered one man during his ransacking phase, and killed a couple during his rape phase, but in both instances he was either challenged or the victims were gunned down while running away (he also used his gun, non-fatally, on a separate occasion, but only in response to a policeman accosting him). During his murder phase, his favoured method was to bludgeon his victims to death as a postlude to rape.
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Overall, DeAngelo strikes me a clear case of escalation, not someone alternating between different MOs during the same period of time.
I agree. The second part of what you wrote here is another reason why he's not a prime example of what I'm looking for.
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My pleasure, Frank, and I agree with your take on the matter, too.
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Thanks for the additional information, Gareth.
I agree. The second part of what you wrote here is another reason why he's not a prime example of what I'm looking for.
Just off the top of my head:
Panzram
Albert fish
HH Holmes
Ted Bundy
Shawcross
Zodiac
Henry Lee Lucas
Herbert Mullin
Richard Chase
etc.

many serial killers who changes there MO, sig, timeframes even Victomology! based on circs, changing fanatsy, escalation. Any one (usually more) of there victims could have been, and were, thought to have been from another killer because of differences.


you guys really need to get out more. ; )
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His "career" seems to have occupied three different phases. He murdered one man during his ransacking phase, and killed a couple during his rape phase, but in both instances he was either challenged or the victims were gunned down while running away (he also used his gun, non-fatally, on a separate occasion, but only in response to a policeman accosting him). During his murder phase, his favoured method was to bludgeon his victims to death as a postlude to rape.

Overall, DeAngelo strikes me a clear case of escalation, not someone alternating between different MOs during the same period of time.
and then we have the boston strangler-who went from raping and killing to back to just raping.
even during the raping and killing stage-he had different MOs-strangled, beat and stabbed to death different victims. and of vastly different ages. many though different killers.
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Hi Abby,

I appreciate your persistence! The Golden State killer is indeed a prime example of a serial killer committing 3 distinctly different & subsequent series, but, again, they lack the change from (sometimes) doing things safely indoors to (often) doing things outdoors. DeAngelo committed (almost) all his ransackings, rapes and murders indoors and with every new series he slowed his attacking pace down.

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This isn't true lots of outdoor activity & he switches his mo up a lot. Great example of many series not being linked to one offender because people are so insistent offenders cant variate or move.

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Just off the top of my head:
Panzram
Albert fish
HH Holmes
Ted Bundy
Shawcross
Zodiac
Henry Lee Lucas
Herbert Mullin
Richard Chase
etc.

many serial killers who changes there MO, sig, timeframes even Victomology!
Just off the top of my head, not really.
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This isn't true lots of outdoor activity & he switches his mo up a lot. Great example of many series not being linked to one offender because people are so insistent offenders cant variate or move.
He didn't mix things up, but evolved in escalating stages, each exhibiting distinct characteristics. More of a progression than a variety act.
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Just off the top of my head:
Panzram
Albert fish
HH Holmes
Ted Bundy
Shawcross
Zodiac
Henry Lee Lucas
Herbert Mullin
Richard Chase
etc.

many serial killers who changes there MO, sig, timeframes even Victomology! based on circs, changing fanatsy, escalation. Any one (usually more) of there victims could have been, and were, thought to have been from another killer because of differences.
What I’m looking for, Abby, is at least 2 distinct & subsequent series:
- with at the very least 3 victims in each series
- in which all murders (but for the exception) were committed at different dates or locations
- the following series was at a distinctly higher frequency than the first
- the first series suggesting a planner, the following a doer (little or no planning)
Victimology & change of weapon/mode to kill are unimportant.

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What I’m looking for, Abby, is at least 2 distinct & subsequent series:
- with at the very least 3 victims in each series
- in which all murders (but for the exception) were committed at different dates or locations
- the following series was at a distinctly higher frequency than the first
- the first series suggesting a planner, the following a doer (little or no planning)
Victimology & change of weapon/mode to kill are unimportant.

Cheers,
Frank

Sure-the torsoripper.

But seriously Frank this is another example of the minutia rabbit hole.your never going to find two serial killers alike with this much detail.

No one can even answer this very broad one- have there ever been two eviscerating serial killers operating in the same city at the same time before?
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He didn't mix things up, but evolved in escalating stages, each exhibiting distinct characteristics. More of a progression than a variety act.
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