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Old 07-23-2018, 02:33 AM
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Abby,
If read properly,I do mean Cox.

Jon,
If paperwork is not available,we do not know what if any survived,or what were the contents,so no good asking me where any might be today.
What proof?Of Aman perhaps.If I believe,as I have posted,he didn't exist how could I offer proof of his existence.That task is up to you who appears to believe he was real.What is your proof? I have never been in the police force,and Lewis was not passing by.Her destination was Millers Court,at which she had arrived.


RJ,

At least you ask reasonable questions.

After three days and an inquest,and no information of anyone else, except Lewis,of coming forward and claiming to have been in Dorset Street,It wasn't such a big risk Hutchinson took in claiming he was there for 45 minutes.Same as putting himself,Kelly and Aman on Commercial Street,or was it Commercial Road.Of course he could have been in Commercial road in reality,and of known of the situation as far as pedestrians being present or absent,and seeing none,used that knowledge in fabricating his story.Risky,if so it came off.

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Old 07-23-2018, 03:08 AM
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Hi.
It depends on who we consider the real George Hutchinson was.
Was it the man Topping [ who has claimed identity] ?
Or someone else still unidentified,
If the latter who knows ,
If Topping , I would say he was neither a liar, or a scoundrel.
But that is my opinion .
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:35 AM
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Abby,
If read properly,I do mean Cox.

Jon,
If paperwork is not available,we do not know what if any survived,or what were the contents,so no good asking me where any might be today.
What proof?Of Aman perhaps.If I believe,as I have posted,he didn't exist how could I offer proof of his existence.That task is up to you who appears to believe he was real.What is your proof? I have never been in the police force,and Lewis was not passing by.Her destination was Millers Court,at which she had arrived.


RJ,

At least you ask reasonable questions.

After three days and an inquest,and no information of anyone else, except Lewis,of coming forward and claiming to have been in Dorset Street,It wasn't such a big risk Hutchinson took in claiming he was there for 45 minutes.Same as putting himself,Kelly and Aman on Commercial Street,or was it Commercial Road.Of course he could have been in Commercial road in reality,and of known of the situation as far as pedestrians being present or absent,and seeing none,used that knowledge in fabricating his story.Risky,if so it came off.

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Cox saw mary with blotchy. Not sure what she has to do with hutch? Or lewis.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:05 AM
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Why not go to the police station that evening, then?
I'm not sure George would have been able to sleep the day away. He had no money for a bed, so - unless he was lying about his finances, or found some loose change on the streets during his nocturnal perambulations - the best he could probably hope for was a snooze in the communal kitchen. I'd imagine that once the murder was discovered this would quickly have been abuzz with rumours and gossip.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:21 AM
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The Pall Mall Gazette, 12 Nov. offers a few small details of the room where the inquest was held.
"...a green-walled, square, little room".

Thanks Jon, I'd not seen that description before.
On the minus side, I think I read that the three committee rooms were not built until the 1930s, so it's unlikely to have been one of these. Perhaps they used one of the offices under the main hall.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:44 AM
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Possibly, witnesses may not have accompanied the jury. It's difficult to look when the Press Search is still not working.
As principal witness, Barnett being her companion, the police will take him to the mortuary to identify the body as part of his statement.
There really is no-one else available.

Looking through a broken window into a dark room is not acceptable, so there's no point in thinking this was how the I.D. was done.
Since this last point isn't established as being "unacceptable" by any records Ive read, and since that is a statement that appears in the press, it is still possible I think. Which of course would be a ridiculous ID, and would put into question his ability to distinguish the features he says he was able to identify.

Her eyes are covered by a forehead skin flap, for one. The relatively unscathed parts of her that were visible from the window didn't seem to be convincing, yet I cant imagine a lover not being able to identify his partners hands, legs or feet.
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Old 07-23-2018, 05:10 AM
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There's nothing to preclude a second, more formal, identification after she'd been cleaned up.
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Old 07-23-2018, 05:33 AM
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Casebook submitter Mort Belfry wrote a really good piece of work called the sixteen possibilities on the death of Mary Jane Kelly. It's in the Mary Jane Kelly sub folder under victims. Might be worth a re-look for some of you!

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Old 07-23-2018, 06:11 AM
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Why not go to the police station that evening, then?

Because the afternoon/evening papers quite unanimously report that Kelly was alive and in public late Friday morning. Long after he had seen her.
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:24 AM
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Jon,
If paperwork is not available,we do not know what if any survived,or what were the contents,so no good asking me where any might be today.
What proof?Of Aman perhaps.If I believe,as I have posted,he didn't exist how could I offer proof of his existence.That task is up to you who appears to believe he was real.What is your proof? I have never been in the police force,and Lewis was not passing by.Her destination was Millers Court,at which she had arrived.
As I keep mentioning, Lewis saw this unidentified loiterer (Hutchinson?) opposite Millers Court, while this other man & woman - being the worse for drink & hatless, pass up the court.
" I also saw a man and a woman who had no hat on and were the worse for drink pass up the court."

So, someone was there. Deny Astrachan existed all you like, but there was a man & woman doing just what Hutchinson said Kelly & Astrachan was doing.

Funny how the anti-Hutchinson subscribers, when faced with a character that proves their theory wrong, resort to claiming "he didn't exist".
The only way out for the defective theory I guess
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