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It would to some slight extent point away from a common originator as far as I´m concerned - but on the whole, that is very subordinate to all the details that speak unanimously of a single killer.

Better?
No. How would both killers operating on foot point away from one killer? And is pushcart included in on foot?
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And if a killer did, then there were plenty of other places in London apart from Battersea Bridge and Spitalfields in which to ply their trade. Why just those two areas, if not because the perpetrators (plural) lived immediately in or around them?

It is highly likely that whoever did most of (but not all) the torso murders assuredly lived in/near Battersea, and whoever did the Ripper murders lived in or around Spitalfields. Both operated on foot.
Or, Or, now hear me out on this I know it sounds crazy but maybe the killer lived in one place and worked in another.
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Or, Or, now hear me out on this I know it sounds crazy but maybe the killer lived in one place and worked in another.
You're right - it sounds crazy. Or, rather, it sounds like trying to make a theory fit, instead of looking at the more likely explanation that there was more than one killer at work, who lived - and/or worked - in different parts of London at rather different times.
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You're right - it sounds crazy. Or, rather, it sounds like trying to make a theory fit, instead of looking at the more likely explanation that there was more than one killer at work, who lived - and/or worked - in different parts of London at rather different times.
Let me guess moved to Whitechapel in September 1889?
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You're right - it sounds crazy. Or, rather, it sounds like trying to make a theory fit, instead of looking at the more likely explanation that there was more than one killer at work, who lived - and/or worked - in different parts of London at rather different times.
Bet ya a fiver it was the same guy.
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You're right - it sounds crazy. Or, rather, it sounds like trying to make a theory fit, instead of looking at the more likely explanation that there was more than one killer at work, who lived - and/or worked - in different parts of London at rather different times.
Perhaps they shared a drink at the Ye Olde Serial Killer Inn?
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The one thing I'm convinced of is that New Scotland Yard and Pinchin Street weren't just random choices. They were statements, surely?

NSY was torso man thumbing his nose at the cops, and Pinchin Street was possibly him doing the same to the Ripper. Or, if there was only one killer, then perhaps it was a cryptic way of suggesting the two series were connected.

Of course, if you have Charles Lechmere in mind as the Ripper and torso man, then Pinchin Street is the ideal place for him to have made such a statement. It's in the part of the East End where he grew up, almost, but not quite, in Whitechapel. When he was living there as an adolescent the area was known as Tiger Bay, such was the ferocity of the women who plied their trade on its streets. The arch where the torso was deposited was more or less opposite the house* where he had been brought up by his policeman stepfather, and where he would very likely have had a fear/hatred of the numerous local prostitutes drummed into him by his respectable old Ma. If I were a Lechmerian, I'd be more than satisfied with that choice of drop site.

*I'm convinced the house would have still been there, although much of the street had been swept away to accommodate the railway.
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If it was one man responsible for both series of deaths,and he wanted to leave a message,surely doing everything in the same locale would be preferable?
After all, hasn't it been claimed he had a bolt hole in or near Whitechapel.
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I don't necessarily see the correlation between Pinchin st or even Whitehall and 'sending a message'. I believe the Pinchin torso wasn't parceled up like the others and so it likely was dumped from nearby. More likely a matter of proximity and a necessity to get rid of the torso. It's possible the Whitehall vault had more to do with familiarity than a message to Scotland Yard as well considering its proximity to the embankment.

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If it was one man responsible for both series of deaths,and he wanted to leave a message,surely doing everything in the same locale would be preferable?
After all, hasn't it been claimed he had a bolt hole in or near Whitechapel.
But then no message would have been necessary. The 'message' of Pinchin Street (if there was one) was a geographical one.
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