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Old 07-19-2018, 08:30 AM
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Just out of interest where are the Ripper style outdoor murders with necks cut and abdominal mutilations between 1873 and 1887?
Why do you think a killer has to use that exact method? Where he kills and how can change over time. Mary Kelly was killed indoors.
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My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of the Torso victims were never identified. If we don't know their identity, how can we conclude that they were all sex workers?

Even if all the Torso victims were sex workers, there is nothing at all to rule out two killers attacking sex workers. They were the easiest of targets after all.
oh rocky no one said all the torso killer victims were sex workers. The fact is we know they both killed sex workers because we know the identity of jackson. Again, if serial killers who kill sex workers are so common let's see some others in London from the 1800s?

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Why do you think a killer has to use that exact method? Where he kills and how can change over time. Mary Kelly was killed indoors.
Serial killers use the same method unless changing there method radically is there M. O. such as the Zodiac Killer. Although there method does evolve over time such as Jack's murder of Mary Jane Kelly. Perhaps you should read up on this as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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Serial killers use the same method unless changing there method radically is there M. O. such as the Zodiac Killer. Although there method does evolve over time such as Jack's murder of Mary Jane Kelly. Perhaps you should read up on this as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Only if you to stick to some outdated profiling pseudoscience. "Serial killers use the same method unless changing there method radically is there M. O. such as the Zodiac Killer". Lol what kind of nonsense is that?

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Only if you to stick to some outdated profiling pseudoscience. "Serial killers use the same method unless changing there method radically is there M. O. such as the Zodiac Killer". Lol what kind of nonsense is that?
Nonsense is the fanciful idea that the Ripper and The Torso Killer were one and the same. Its about as likely as pigs flying.
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Nonsense is the fanciful idea that the Ripper and The Torso Killer were one and the same. Its about as likely as pigs flying.
Ok then can you provide any other examples of 19th century serial killers in the UK who killed sex workers? That would demonstrate how common it is. There wouldn't happen to be no other examples of serial killers who killed sex workers would there? Jack the Ripper and the Torso Killer just happen to be the first and only examples of serial killers in 19th century London who killed sex workers?
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My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of the Torso victims were never identified. If we don't know their identity, how can we conclude that they were all sex workers?

Even if all the Torso victims were sex workers, there is nothing at all to rule out two killers attacking sex workers. They were the easiest of targets after all.

The totally different MOs, geographical locations, dismemberment v evisceration etc lead me to believe that the Whitechapel murders and the Torso killings are extremely unlikely to have been committed by the same hand.
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My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of the Torso victims were never identified. If we don't know their identity, how can we conclude that they were all sex workers?

Jackson was. and perhaps the others were never IDed because they were-no one cared about them.


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Even if all the Torso victims were sex workers, there is nothing at all to rule out two killers attacking sex workers. They were the easiest of targets after all.

Yes prostitutes do make easy targets-agree. but serial killers target all kinds of people. Victimology can vary greatly. But they just happen to both target prostitutes.

Plus as RS has said, this is early on in SK history, and apparently both just happen around the same time and the first time in London? another coincidence?

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The totally different MOs, geographical locations, dismemberment v evisceration etc lead me to believe that the Whitechapel murders and the Torso killings are extremely unlikely to have been committed by the same hand.
MOs can vary with the same killer-its a well known fact. and the apparent difference in MO can easily be because the killer had different circs. as in his chop shop wasnt available and had to kill on the streets.
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Serial killers use the same method unless changing there method radically is there M. O. such as the Zodiac Killer. Although there method does evolve over time such as Jack's murder of Mary Jane Kelly. Perhaps you should read up on this as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
for someone who thinks Bury is the ripper (as you know hes one of my favored suspects too) I would think you would be amenable to a changing MO based on the killers personal circumstances!
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Again, if serial killers who kill sex workers are so common let's see some others in London from the 1800s?
Not that it's so important, Rocky, but Dr. Thomas Neill Cream comes to mind.


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Not that it's so important, Rocky, but Dr. Thomas Neill Cream comes to mind.
Indeed, also the non-canonical Whitechapel Murders victims, and possibly one or two of the Canonical Five as well.
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