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Old 07-18-2018, 03:29 PM
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Here's another.

The last sentence is the most important.

Belfast Newsletter, 14th November 1888—

Attachment 18721
Simon, the way I read it is the newspaper is comparing their recent story given by Hutchinson, to a description published the day before from an unnamed source.
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:37 PM
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Well, well if it ain't Ben back from the dead. I knew if anything could conjure you up it would be a Hutchinson thread.

Nice to see you back posting again. Keep it up.

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Old 07-18-2018, 03:42 PM
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Hi Jon,

What’s your source for Dorset Street being 25 feet wide, please? Even if it was, the pavements themselves must have been four feet wide, and if both parties were walking relatively centrally to these (as opposed to encasing themselves into the neighbouring walls), we’re left with a distance not nearly as great as 25 feet between wideawake and Lewis.

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“So, he certainly did not avoid any risks associated with being recognised”
He would have done, insofar as coming forward voluntarily and posing as a witness was more likely than not to succeed as as subterfuge strategy, accepting that knowledge of criminal psychology (and organised policing itself) was in its infancy at the time.

If you think I’m “bluffing” on the subject of the early morning time of death being covered more extensively that the later version, I invite you to call me on it, and we can have a nice old dredge-up of all the examples I provided on the Red Handkerchief thread.

The place where Hutchinson slept - most assuredly the Victoria Home as previously discussed (and good spot, Joshua!) - was indeed “closed” to anyone who had not purchased a bed-ticket prior to 1.00am. Why are you adding a “here” to Joshua’s verbatim quote from Hutchinson’s press account. He said “I came in as soon as it opened in the morning”, referring to his usual lodgings, the Victoria Home.

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Old 07-18-2018, 03:44 PM
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Good to see you too, c.d.!

Yeah, couldn’t quite resist the itch this time.

Jon’s fault!
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So why do you think 'peaked-cap' man was the Ripper?
Aren't you in the same position?
No. Just the opposite in fact.

Peaked cap man made an impression on Abberline as a viable suspect so much that hes mentioning him many years later.

Hutch and his aman... not so much.
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Old 07-18-2018, 04:12 PM
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Hi Jon,

Of course.

Hutchinson and the unnamed source were one and the same person.

Hutchinson corroborated his own story.

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Hi Jon,

What’s your source for Dorset Street being 25 feet wide, please?
Goads Plan.
Commercial St. is 82 ft wide, Dorset St. 25 ft wide.




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He would have done, insofar as coming forward voluntarily and posing as a witness was more likely than not to succeed as as subterfuge strategy, accepting that knowledge of criminal psychology (and organised policing itself) was in its infancy at the time.
It isn't true that waiting for the inquest to finish will avoid him being questioned, or identified by another witness (Lewis). Abberline has the right & the ability to put him in a line-up if he thinks the guy could be the killer. He was interrogated after all, which is a more searching enquiry than what a Coroner needs to know.

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If you think I’m “bluffing” on the subject of the early morning time of death being covered more extensively that the later version, I invite you to call me on it,
I thought I did.
Have you included all the London papers in the BNA?

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Why are you adding a “here” to Joshua’s verbatim quote from Hutchinson’s press account. He said “I came in as soon as it opened in the morning”, referring to his usual lodgings, the Victoria Home.
"Here", is the context. Which differentiates his current abode from the "place where he usually slept".
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No. Just the opposite in fact.

Peaked cap man made an impression on Abberline as a viable suspect so much that hes mentioning him many years later.

Hutch and his aman... not so much.
So, are you saying:
"They, however, state that they only saw his back",

is wrong?

If peaked-cap man was the Ripper, but the Ripper was only ever seen from the rear. Then which witness only saw Peaked-cap man from the rear?
It wasn't Lawende, it wasn't Schwartz, so who?
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:06 PM
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Caz,in reply to your post 397.
It goes without arguement that Hutchinson was the person claiming he could identify the man.

It goes without arguement,that the phrase,"Can be identified",was used by either Hutchinson or Badham.Hutchinson orally, Badham in wriiten form.


There is no evidence that either one of them did not understand the meaning of the Phrase.So I ask you again,why a need for change?

Brevity,or shorthand will not suffice,unles you can prove that (1) it was police practice to do such changes,or(2)it was a concious decision by Badham for some reason you or Jon have not disclosed.


Some years ago a study was conducted in England as to the amount of misconduct by police in the taking and reporting of witness statements,and interrogation procedures.The findings were that five per cent were found to be corrupt,or not in accordance with law.95% showed honesty and compliance with both the law and police directives.

I see no reason why things would be different in 1888.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:25 PM
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Jon,
Your wife must be a wonderful woman.I bet she can also remember the colour of the maids eyes in those hotels.What about yourself?

Myself I spent about half an hour yesterday,talking to a new arrival in the retirement village in which I reside,and do you know I remember next to nothing as regards the clothes he was wearing,or what shoes he was wearing,
but one thing I do know,he,"can be identified".
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