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Old 07-17-2018, 12:33 PM
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Yet Hutchinson's original statement was changed by an unknown hand.
Before a witness signs a statement it is read through - by the witness if literate, to the witness if not. Any corrections are then made (before signature). Assuming that usual procedure was followed the 'unknown' hand will have been either Badham or Hutchinson himself (and to clarify a simple misunderstanding as to the exact location if memory serves).
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:50 AM
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IMHO Maxwell had the wrong person and Maurice was full of ****
Just how many women 'of limerick' and around 24 years old living opposite Maxwell do you believe there were ?
Strange isn't it that Hutchinson has never been accused of getting the wrong person or the wrong day and yet a person who actually bothers to turn up to give evidence and who's story never wavered is treated this way in the persuit of denial ...
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Before a witness signs a statement it is read through - by the witness if literate, to the witness if not. Any corrections are then made (before signature). Assuming that usual procedure was followed the 'unknown' hand will have been either Badham or Hutchinson himself (and to clarify a simple misunderstanding as to the exact location if memory serves).
Don't have it in front of me due to PC failure,however doubt it was either.

The hotel name was changed to Queens Head without being initialed.
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Just how many women 'of limerick' and around 24 years old living opposite Maxwell do you believe there were ?
Strange isn't it that Hutchinson has never been accused of getting the wrong person or the wrong day and yet a person who actually bothers to turn up to give evidence and who's story never wavered is treated this way in the persuit of denial ...
whom she thought was mary wasn't mary. it didn't have to be another woman named mary from limerick.

but I admit she may have seen mary Kelly that morning-just IMHO very unlikely.

can you admit she might have been mistaken?
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Don't have it in front of me due to PC failure,however doubt it was either.

The hotel name was changed to Queens Head without being initialed.
I've seen documents written by one person, where corrections have been made and initialed by another hand.
If the statement belongs to Hutchinson, and he signs it, he is also acknowledging any corrections.
Isn't that the way it works?
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Old 07-18-2018, 04:50 PM
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Yep.

The Queens Head correction was not initialed.

Bit different here in Oz.
One copper starts writing while another hits you around the head with a telephone book.
Both stop when you sign.
This is a technological step up from the old rubber hose method.
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whom she thought was mary wasn't mary. it didn't have to be another woman named mary from limerick.

but I admit she may have seen mary Kelly that morning-just IMHO very unlikely.

can you admit she might have been mistaken?
The point here Abby is that she knew she was around 24 and that she was from Limerick when interviewed by the press on the day of the murder
So yes , you would need to find another 24 year old Mary Jane from Limerick living in the court to write this off.
The fact that it was daylight,she lived opposite and would be well used to seeing her coming and going from the court and she actually carried out a conversation with somebody that she knew puts her testimony head and shoulders above anybody else .
No other witness ID comes even close to Maxwell
So for those reasons no , I can't accept that she could have been mistaken
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Yep.

The Queens Head correction was not initialed.
What I mean is, the signature obviates the need for initials on any corrections.
He is signing the corrected document.
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I've seen documents written by one person, where corrections have been made and initialed by another hand.
If the statement belongs to Hutchinson, and he signs it, he is also acknowledging any corrections.
Isn't that the way it works?
Today every correction would be initialed, documents Iíve seen from the 1800s that doesnít seem to have always been done.
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What I mean is, the signature obviates the need for initials on any corrections.
He is signing the corrected document.
No.
The correction is not Badham's or Hutchinson's.
It was made after the signing.

If Badham had taken it higher before the signing,it would have been initialed.
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