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Old 07-12-2018, 02:56 PM
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You have no idea what I am posting about.

Quite frankly,you are a serial pest.
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After the newspapers published the various articles stating that all the organs were accounted for, was there any rebuttal to this from any official sources at the time, or in the years that followed?
You do realize that if the authorities declared the heart to be missing they risk repeating a second fiasco like the kidney episode. Pranksters now begin mailing boxed hearts to the press.
It is not an important detail to share with the public. The authorities said nothing on the subject.
What we read in the press is all conjecture.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:06 PM
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How many kidneys were sent in?

Just a rough guess
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I merely said that I liked your pun linking Robert (Louis) Stevenson and steam pioneer Thomas Newcomen, and out that the other steam pioneer was a different Robert Stephenson.
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You do realize that if the authorities declared the heart to be missing they risk repeating a second fiasco like the kidney episode. Pranksters now begin mailing boxed hearts to the press.
It is not an important detail to share with the public. The authorities said nothing on the subject.
What we read in the press is all conjecture.
So Dr Gabe, Supt Arnold, and DI Reid all made it up then when they accounted for the heart not being missing? and with Reid he is a main primary source.

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So Dr Gabe, Supt Arnold, and DI Reid all made it up then when they accounted for the heart not being missing? and with Reid he is a main primary source.
No, Arnold and Reid were probably mistaken. Arnold mixed up details of the Mitre Sq and Millers Court murders, and Reid mixed up McKenzie and Chapman details, and Dr Gabe stated in the press that a certain organ was missing .
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You have just made that up !!!!!!!

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Actually its founded in this snippet from the Irish Times on the 10th;

"Previous to the post-mortem examination, a photographer, who was brought on the scene only after considerable difficulty and delay, was set to work, with a view to obtaining permanent evidence as to the state of the room, the condition of the body, and other points, trivial perhaps, but possibly important, which have heretofore been too much neglected in the investigation of the series of crimes of which to-day's horror is surely the climax. The state of the atmosphere was unfortunately not favourable to good results. A slight drizzling rain was falling, the air was dusky, even in the open thoroughfare, and in the little court it was at times almost dark, especially inside the miserable houses. The photographer, however, did his best, and succeeded in securing several negatives, which he hopes will be useful. The post-mortem examination lasted just two hours, and was of the most thorough character. Every indication as to the manner in which the murderer conducted his awful work was carefully noted, as well as the position of every organ and the larger pieces of flesh. The surgeon's report will, in consequence, be of an unusually exhaustive character, but it will not be made public until the surgeons give their evidence at the coroner's inquest Sufficient is known to place the crime beyond doubt in the same category as those perpetrated in George Yard, Buck's row, Berner street, Hanbury street and Mitre square. "

I suggested they knew what was missing Friday afternoon by virtue of the fact that a very "thorough" examination of the deceased and the room was done on Friday.
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We know that the police offered a pardon to anyone but the actual murderer on the 10th. If the police suspected someone of shielding the murderer [as Anderson indicates] and that person came forward, say the suspect's brother, and the police then raided the suspect's premises and found the missing heart, well damning evidence indeed. But the police might have surmised if it was general knowledge that the heart had been taken by the killer, he might just get rid of the missing organ sharpish.
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You do realize that if the authorities declared the heart to be missing they risk repeating a second fiasco like the kidney episode. Pranksters now begin mailing boxed hearts to the press.
It is not an important detail to share with the public. The authorities said nothing on the subject.
What we read in the press is all conjecture.
thats actually a great point-never though about that before.
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We know that the police offered a pardon to anyone but the actual murderer on the 10th. If the police suspected someone of shielding the murderer [as Anderson indicates] and that person came forward, say the suspect's brother, and the police then raided the suspect's premises and found the missing heart, well damning evidence indeed. But the police might have surmised if it was general knowledge that the heart had been taken by the killer, he might just get rid of the missing organ sharpish.
yup-another great point.
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