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Or is there an outside/minute chance that [those who believe it genuine] might be right?
I'd maintain that this possibility is entirely ruled out by the diary's use of anachronistic phrases; there is certainly one, and IMHO two or three more.
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Sorry to see that your account was hacked yesterday by a sulky, petulant child, Sam Flynn, hope you've managed to regain control now.
Sulky, petulant adult, please. Am now fully recovered, thank you, David.
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That's simply not true though Herlock. There were many other possible uses for bone black, including, as I have said, a supposed cure for indigestion, so it's presence is not in any way a pointer towards the Diary having been written by a drug user, nor does it show that the forger was "lucky" at all. To me it just shows that supporters of the Diary are drawing tenuous connections here.
Urgh, that was a horrible misuse of the poor old apostrophe.

But it does show David is only human after all, and not above making basic errors of English - even when the writing is meant for public consumption.

At least we can eliminate David from being the hoaxer. Our diarist hardly uses the humble apostrophe at all - not even of the greengrocer variety. Oddly, I can find no contractions in there, which may be how they imagined people wrote in the 1880s, even in their own private diaries. It can't be fear of making basic apostrophe errors because on pages 8 and 19 of the diary "Sir Jim" displays a glimmer of uncharacteristic knowledge and respect by placing one correctly in St. James's, even while he's thinking of burning it to the ground.

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It can't be fear of making basic apostrophe errors because on pages 8 and 19 of the diary "Sir Jim" displays a glimmer of uncharacteristic knowledge and respect by placing one correctly in St. James's
One of two appearances in the diary, both times with the apostrophe correctly used. Might this have been because the hoaxer(s) saw "St James's" actually printed in books/articles about the Maybricks' wedding?

Alternatively, "St Jamess" looks daft, so there's perhaps a clue inherent in the word itself that an apostrophe before the second "s" would be required.
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Well, actually, I would have thought it would be surprising that a drug addict is in possession of an antidote for the drug they are taking because they are presumably taking the drug for pleasure to make them feel better and I would have expected such an antidote to be held by a medical person for use when someone has actually been poisoned.
James was taking all sorts of stuff for what ailed him, and if he had a sexually transmitted disease, or even suspected he might have one, and thought arsenic could treat or cure it, might he not have been taking it for that reason, rather than for pleasure? If that was the case, it might have made him feel worse, not better, the more he took, in which case having something handy that he'd heard was an antidote would have made sense.

None of this had to have a sound medical basis if he was self diagnosing and experimenting without or against his doctor's advice.

A school friend of mine was, as Jim was said to be, a walking chemist. I remember her one year on holiday abroad, in the late 1960s, taking Ex Lax to make her go and Enterovioform to make her stop going in case the Ex Lax worked too well.

All I took was aspirin for a monster hangover from my first experiments with alcohol - Cuba Libre to be exact.

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One of two appearances in the diary, both times with the apostrophe correctly used. Might this have been because the hoaxer(s) saw "St James's" actually printed in books/articles about the Maybricks' wedding?

Alternatively, "St Jamess" looks daft, so there's perhaps a clue inherent in the word itself that an apostrophe before the second "s" would be required.
I've never seen it spelled St Jamess before, Gareth, but I've often seen it spelled St James', and less often St Jameses. It's quite a rare treat for me to see it spelled St. James's.

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I've never seen it spelled St Jamess before, Gareth
Indeed, Caz - like I say, there's an inbuilt clue there that the "ss" should be split up.
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I'd be of the St James' persuasion, too.
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Indeed, which is why I suggested that it might thus have appeared in print among the writer's research materials.
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A school friend of mine was, as Jim was said to be, a walking chemist. I remember her one year on holiday abroad, in the late 1960s, taking Ex Lax to make her go
My grandmother used to call laxatives "hurry-up medicine".
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Yup. Diamine Manuscript ink from Bluecoat Chambers Art Shop. Later subjected to experiments by Nick Warren and Melvin Harris who found it a credible claim.
But whose claim? Was it not the man in the shop who first suggested Diamine as a possibility? It was the claim by Warren and Harris which turned out not to be credible. See page 34 of Robert Smith's 25 Years... for more info. The diary was clearly not written using the Diamine Manuscript ink experimented with by Warren and Harris.

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I'd maintain that this possibility is entirely ruled out by the diary's use of anachronistic phrases; there is certainly one, and IMHO two or three more.
And no one should have any issue with that opinion Gareth
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