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Old 04-22-2018, 06:38 PM
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It is nice to see someone on these boards with good manners and who is attempting to keep an open mind. We'll see how long it lasts.

Just kidding.

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Sit tight c.d..

It won't be too long before I'm walking around in an old potato sack, unshaven, and barking at the dog - I've only been (totally and utterly) immersed in the story for going-on three years, after a lifetime's reading.

...and now I'm posting on Casebook. Surely, that can't be a good sign.

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Old 04-22-2018, 07:13 PM
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Hi Stephen/ all
The three clues that that try to implicate Jews:
Lipski
GsG
Aman

IMHO point the ripper himself. The clues are there, we just need to recognize them.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:18 PM
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The strongest argument I've seen against the Lusk letter is not anything related to the kidney, but rather that it appears to be written in "Stage Irish" - i.e., what native English speakers wrote when imitating an Irish accent. I don't think people with accents generally "write their accent" - Germans who learn English as a second language for example do not generally write "we" as "ve" even though they might pronounce it that way.

As for Lipski, keep in mind that a great many people on this forum don't find Israel Schwartz to be a credible witness at all. Also, many people on this forum don't accept Stride as a Ripper victim.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:31 PM
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Hi Stephen/ all
The three clues that that try to implicate Jews:
Lipski
GsG
Aman
IMHO point the ripper himself. The clues are there, we just need to recognize them.
Hi Abby,

You well know how I feel about that , but there's more to it !

I pursued the relevant arguments in the first edition of my book - and by taking my time with the second incarnation and maybe being a bit more bullish in discussing those points, I hope to have done a more thorough job of outlining the grand architecture, as it were, of the saga. Hopefully, the new bits and pieces brought forward in support helped too - in all, about an extra 20% by way of volume.

But I don't want to derail this thread with self-serving references, so I'll pipe down. If anyone's interested, I suggest reading my 'Dear Rip' letter in edition 155 of 'Ripperologist'; or the 'author's note' which follows my piece on Toppy in edition 160; or London-based author and journalist Robert Philpot's fair summary of the first edition of my book.

Happy posting, Abby et al.

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Regarding the Lusk kidney if Jack had made his mind up, [and i no it is an if ] to communicate with someone after his next murder. Why didn't he wrap the kidney before sending it, in the apron instead of discarding it ? That would surely have authenticated it.
Also if he dropped the apron to authenticate the GSG why not make any mention of the rubbing out of said communication ? Or anything else regarding the double event . As has been mentioned by other posters, i feel that the tried suppressing of the news that the heart was missing with MJK might have been done to see if it was sent to the police etc later. When it was not i think [ just guessing here ]that the Mepo probably considered the lusk kidney a hoax but couldn't be certain as we are not today.
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Old 04-22-2018, 11:27 PM
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The three clues that that try to implicate Jews:
Lipski
GsG
Aman

IMHO point the ripper himself. The clues are there, we just need to recognize them.
Hello Abby,

Re: Astrakhan man - are you suggesting that the killer disguised himself as a Jew? I donít understand.
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Hello Abby,

Re: Astrakhan man - are you suggesting that the killer disguised himself as a Jew? I donít understand.
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No. That the person who tried to accuse a Jew was a gentile and his name was Hutchinson.

It goes like this. While trying to murder stride heís seen by a (heavy appearance) jew, prompting him to shout lipski at him. Pissed off by this he later writes the gsg to throw blame on them. He continues the theme with describing aman as a Jew.
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Hi harry
No. That the person who tried to accuse a Jew was a gentile and his name was Hutchinson.

It goes like this. While trying to murder stride heís seen by a (heavy appearance) jew, prompting him to shout lipski at him. Pissed off by this he later writes the gsg to throw blame on them. He continues the theme with describing aman as a Jew.
Hello Abby,

Very intriguing. I forgot that Hutch is one of your favourites.

Several of the murders happened in Jewish neighbourhoods, at a time when antisemitism was rife. It's just as likely that the Jewish theme is circumstantial rather than inherent to the murders.
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No. That the person who tried to accuse a Jew was a gentile and his name was Hutchinson.

It goes like this. While trying to murder stride he’s seen by a (heavy appearance) jew, prompting him to shout lipski at him. Pissed off by this he later writes the gsg to throw blame on them. He continues the theme with describing aman as a Jew.
Hi Abby,

What is there to indicate that Israel Schwartz (assuming that's who you mean) was of 'heavy appearance'? Theatrical I'm familiar with, but heavy? Talking of theatrical (which we weren't but we are now) isn't Hutchinson's description of Astrakhan man essentially that of a 'theatrical Jew'?
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Hello Abby,

Very intriguing. I forgot that Hutch is one of your favourites.

Several of the murders happened in Jewish neighbourhoods, at a time when antisemitism was rife. It's just as likely that the Jewish theme is circumstantial rather than inherent to the murders.
hi Harry
I don't go as far as Stephen with the jewish theme. I don't think the ripper always started off with the jewish angle(but he might have) and intentionally murdered near jewish sites, I don't think it was his major motivation etc. I think that was more than likely just chance. agree with you there.

but the night of the double event pissed him off with the interuptions by jews so he ran with the blaming them theme. carried over to the Kelly murder when he came forward because he was worried he had been spotted and continued with the jewish suspect theme.
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