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isn't it obvious that a modern hoaxer saw the police report of listed items and screwed up-writing verbatim what was in the report?
I think you give yourself away when you start with the premise "Isn't it obvious".

No, it isn't obvious. It is one of at least two options:

1) Maybrick wrote it because it was true and it was coincidence (again!) that it was recorded in a similar fashion in the official list of Eddowes' possessions (her 'meagre possessions' as I think Ripper cliche likes to call them), or
2) A hoaxer in 1987 or later created a rather clever hoaxed Ripper journal identifying James Maybrick as Jack but (very very very very very very very) stupidly copied this line from Fido (or some other).

No, it isn't obvious at all.

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For anyone who hasn't been concentrating, I'm not complaining that we are discussing an off-topic issue in this thread (goodness knows, most of it is) but I was responding to Stephen Owl's comment that the watch is being "swept under the carpet" and not being discussed. I was providing an obvious explanation for the lack of discussion about the watch in a thread expressly said to be about the diary.
Agreed, though I suggest you loosen your tie and let it go. It's Friday night, man.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:19 PM
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If only that were true. But you know very well it isn't.
I hope you aren't implying that people are on here having fun, are you?

I'm on here in the name of pure science.

Tee hee.

Incidentally, is 'controverted' actually a word or is it like the opposite of inscrutable ('scrutable')?

For the record, you've made a strong case but not a final one. Maybe not even "a one". As I've said myself, it's perfectly likely that he was writing "a one off-instance" rather than "a one-off instance". Tragically for your incontrovertible argument, the writer declined my generous offer of a free hypen, leaving me with all the controversion I require to keep the ball in play and the game in motion.
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Agreed, though I suggest you loosen your tie and let it go. It's Friday night, man.
A Friday night post that may be read by some on Monday morning.

While I appreciate that you don't like it when I make a good point (a frequent occurrence) I suggest you loosen your tie on this occasion and just let it go.
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Incidentally, is 'controverted' actually a word or is it like the opposite of inscrutable ('scrutable')?
Yes it is a word.

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For the record, you've made a strong case but not a final one. Maybe not even "a one". As I've said myself, it's perfectly likely that he was writing "a one off-instance" rather than "a one-off instance". Tragically for your incontrovertible argument, the writer declined my generous offer of a free hypen, leaving me with all the controversion I require to keep the ball in play and the game in motion.
If that's your way of controverting the point it's a disaster I'm afraid. There's no such thing as a "one off-instance" and there never has been. It's not English and I believe the language of the diary is (supposed to be) English.
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Abby,

Seriously, you need to take a look at the markings to realise that you have misunderstood the context of the markings - they were put there (presumably) to gloat about the crimes, not to mark the watch as his.

If he had wanted to do both, of course, he could have done (had his initials engraved on the weatch, then engraved his 'confession' privately afterwards).
id love to have a look at them. but according to caz you cant see any.

yeah hes going to scratch his name on his watch and his murder victims to gloat about it. Kind of like another notch on a knife for number of kills?

maybe he killed them with his watch?
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I think you give yourself away when you start with the premise "Isn't it obvious".

No, it isn't obvious. It is one of at least two options:

1) Maybrick wrote it because it was true and it was coincidence (again!) that it was recorded in a similar fashion in the official list of Eddowes' possessions (her 'meagre possessions' as I think Ripper cliche likes to call them), or
2) A hoaxer in 1987 or later created a rather clever hoaxed Ripper journal identifying James Maybrick as Jack but (very very very very very very very) stupidly copied this line from Fido (or some other).

No, it isn't obvious at all.
your right-it isn't obvious. Perhaps the police officer saw what he wrote in the diary and copied it verbatim into his report!
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id love to have a look at them. but according to caz you cant see any.
According to Caz, she couldn't make them out on the occasion she had the opportunity to.

Not the same as their not being there - something which Caz herself noted.

If you haven't seen the markings, I suggest you look at one of the books written on the journal. Look up 'Feldman', or 'Harrison'. They wrote books about the journal and had some pictures in.

They're my favourite kinda books, in'all.
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I think there is every possibility that the watch markings were part of the scam
You could have knocked me down with a feather, John.

So Mike was involved with this one too?

If so, your evidence is... what?

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You could have knocked me down with a feather, John.

So Mike was involved with this one too?

If so, your evidence is... what?

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I have no evidence of this but you have so far provided no evidence that Mike didn't write the diary Caz.
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