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So I would suggest the space over the arch would belong to no27 and would part of the upper rooms.
This is correct, and is indicated as such in the Goads Plan. The west wall of Millers Court passage is shown as a dashed line, which means that wall, and the subsequent passage are beneath the 2nd floor of No.27.
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Thanks, Jon.
The 'half storey' you refer to, I assume means the attic space (with the roof windows)? But BOTH 26 & 27 had those and yet 26 is referred to as 3 while 27 is referred to as 3.5 on Goad.

My issue is with the differing descriptions of the two building's levels - one is 3 while the other is 3.5 - same height building (roof runs right across 26 &27) and yet different floor levels.
The Goads Plan we have is dated 1890, so possibly a revision was made after 1888?
The '3' shown on No.26 does have the room for a '1/2' to have been there originally, but later erased?
On the other hand, errors or inconsistencies, are not unknown on these maps.

What you may have noticed is these terrace houses in Dorset St. are built like Semi's. The right-side house is the mirror image of the left-side house.
As the chimney structure goes up the left side wall of No.27, and the right chimney structure goes up the right-side wall of No.26. Then if the roof/half-storey was removed, what would be left to support the chimney of No.26?

As always, lots of questions but few answers.
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We can see that No.44, the house without an upper storey is constructed from very different brick. We might assume it is a later construction than Nos.42 & 40.
We cannot be sure No.44 is the house represented on the 1890 Goad Plan.

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On Goad, they are 3.5 levels so I guess the attic space is the extra 0.5 for these buildings. So why is Number 26 described on Goad as only '3' when clearly, on the sketches and photos we can see an attic window AND both 26 and 27 Dorset street share the same roof (same height)?
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Duh!
The response by Kate C. lower down on this link says that No.44 was rebuilt in the 1890's., so it does seem to be later than the Goad Plan.
http://spitalfieldslife.com/2010/08/...ds-shopfronts/
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The Goad map has a few inconsistencies in 26 like the position of the door to the stairs and the passage in the house is central.

Still surmise greater use of the attic space at 27. Prolly didn't count 1/4s.
The door to upstairs within the passage is identified below in the large red circle - the notation only indicates "1st", which means the only level where access exists is at street level (1st = Ground floor).



If there was access from 27 to 26 through an upper floor the notation would indicate this.
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That is completely out of whack.
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That is completely out of whack.
Take it to another draftsman, they will only tell you what I am telling you.
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The notation by the doorway in the passage reads "GF." Ground floor.

For clarity

In Britain the floor of a building at street level is called the ground floor. The floor above it is the first floor and the floor below is called the basement.

In America the floor at street level is usually called the first floor.

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Would that be an original door, Jon? and would this suggest a likely place for the stairs?

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The door to upstairs within the passage is identified below in the large red circle - the notation only indicates "1st", which means the only level where access exists is at street level (1st = Ground floor).



If there was access from 27 to 26 through an upper floor the notation would indicate this.
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Hang on, Jon is saying the notation reads '1st' and Simon, you are saying it reads 'GF'. Which is it?

This screenshot from another area of the map is quite clear:


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The notation by the doorway in the passage reads "GF." Ground floor.

For clarity —

In Britain the floor of a building at street level is called the ground floor. The floor above it is the first floor and the floor below is called the basement.

In America the floor at street level is usually called the first floor.

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