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Old 02-17-2018, 10:53 PM
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Realy? where? is there a pic?

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Surmise 26 had one attic room and 27 more use of the space. There does seem to be two windows on 27.
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Might be my eyesight,however the demolition photo seems to show a second window atop 27.

Edit. Looked at other prints and there is only one. My apology.

The Goad map has a few inconsistencies in 26 like the position of the door to the stairs and the passage in the house is central.

Still surmise greater use of the attic space at 27. Prolly didn't count 1/4s.
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The 1928 pic of the front of 26 clearly shows 3 regular floors, but sadly doesn't show the roof.

http://photos.casebook.org/displayim...=81&fullsize=1

Earlier sketches of the rear only seem to show two floors and then a tiled roof. Are the sketches unreliable, or was a third floor added later?
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Maybe a clue regarding the 0.5 of a floor could be gleaned from Numbers 39, 38, 37 Dorset Street near Little Pateroster Row which are also 3.5 levels - as are the tenements opposite those houses.
What do we know about these house? have we got some details/photos that might give a clue to that extra 0.5 level?

The photos I've seen of the pub on that corner don't show the upper levels of the houses so no clue there.

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Might be my eyesight,however the demolition photo seems to show a second window atop 27.

Edit. Looked at other prints and there is only one. My apology.

The Goad map has a few inconsistencies in 26 like the position of the door to the stairs and the passage in the house is central.

Still surmise greater use of the attic space at 27. Prolly didn't count 1/4s.
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There are two contemporary press sketches of a half-story across both 26 & 27 Dorset St.



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Here's a clue to the 0.5 level description of the Goad plan although I'm not sure it helps answer the question.
This is No. 66 Brushfield Street which is similar in build to 26 & 27 Dorset Street. It is also described on Goad's plan as being 3.5 levels:


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The twin attic windows are the same as seen on the single attic windows of 27/26 (but what is that small window about and is THAT the area that makes this building 3.5 levels?
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Thanks, Jon.
The 'half storey' you refer to, I assume means the attic space (with the roof windows)? But BOTH 26 & 27 had those and yet 26 is referred to as 3 while 27 is referred to as 3.5 on Goad.

My issue is with the differing descriptions of the two building's levels - one is 3 while the other is 3.5 - same height building (roof runs right across 26 &27) and yet different floor levels.


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Brushfield Street showing numbers 40,42 & 44 :



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On Goad, they are 3.5 levels so I guess the attic space is the extra 0.5 for these buildings. So why is Number 26 described on Goad as only '3' when clearly, on the sketches and photos we can see an attic window AND both 26 and 27 Dorset street share the same roof (same height)?
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Still surmise greater use of the attic space at 27. Prolly didn't count 1/4s.
Or, maybe, the entire attic space belonged to No. 27; and only accessible thru No. 27....

Been wondering, what's behind those bricks above the passage (arch), which building that area belonged to...
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The space above the arch would belong to the 1st/2nd floor rooms in No27. The window at the rear of 27 - under the arch just as you enter the court - belongs to the shop in 27 as is in driect line with the front door of No27. The window (and room) above would be the 1st floor of No27 which encroaches the arch space.

If you look at the Matters photo and note the front door of 26 the arch wall is very close to this door and the arch wall (inside no26) would continue up the height of the building (following the same line as the drainpipe). So I would suggest the space over the arch would belong to no27 and would part of the upper rooms.

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Or, maybe, the entire attic space belonged to No. 27; and only accessible thru No. 27....

Been wondering, what's behind those bricks above the passage (arch), which building that area belonged to...
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