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Hard to believe Eddowes could've been strangled or slammed to the floor without the nearby nightwatchman hearing a sound.
The mens boots she was wearing would have echoed throughout that little square at that time of the night.
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The mens boots she was wearing would have echoed throughout that little square at that time of the night.
The square was very sparsely populated, and the night-watchman might well have been busy (wasn't he sweeping up when Watkins alerted him... or did I dream that?). Also, Mitre Square was a public right of way, so the sound of someone's boots wouldn't have been in the least bit noteworthy.
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Hard to believe not a single one of these murders had a witness or someone who could have incriminated the murderer of at least one...but here we are.
Hi hunter
Israel Schwartz probably witnessed the murder of stride and apparently someone implicated Kosminski as the ripper with the possibility of him being positively identified by Lawende.

But alas were only left with probabilities and possibilities.
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I do wonder about Eddowes having her hand on the man's chest as reported by Lawende.
If Lawende, Harris and Levy saw him, then he saw them. And he may have wanted to be off. Why was that?
Eddowes stopped him, sort of a "don't go" gesture.
Understandable, he was a potential paying customer.

Obviously she should have let him.
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The square was very sparsely populated, and the night-watchman might well have been busy (wasn't he sweeping up when Watkins alerted him... or did I dream that?). Also, Mitre Square was a public right of way, so the sound of someone's boots wouldn't have been in the least bit noteworthy.

Another press report highlighted the irony of a claim Morris had made to a police officer earlier that evening:

The strangest part of the whole thing was that he did not hear the slightest sound. As a rule he could hear the footsteps of the policeman as he passed on his beat every quarter of an hour, so the it appeared impossible that the woman could have uttered any sound without his detecting it. It was only on that night that he remarked to some policeman that he wished the "butcher" would come round Mitre square, and he would give him a doing; yet the "butcher" had come, and he was perfectly ignorant of it.
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Hard to believe not a single one of these murders had a witness or someone who could have incriminated the murderer of at least one...but here we are.
Reckon Elizabeth Long's shabby genteel man, who was a a little "taller" than Annie Chapman, was the one true sighting.

If a "little taller" meant about three inches,that tallies with the height of the later GSG.
Again, which anatomically trained person would be carrying chalk at the start of the Michaelmas Term!

Back to 29 Hanbury Street.
The conversation between the two that Long saw and heard was loud ......he,"Will you", she, "Yes".
Doesn't sound like a proposition for sex at around 5.30am.
Precede it with ..... she,"I'm going to dob you in to the cops" and the scenario becomes clearer.
Prompt strangulation and Annie is dragged through the corridor and out the back for dissection.
The three bruises tend to support that.

Dr. Phillips testified that he could not have performed all the injuries in under 15 minutes.
Have another look at Eddowes' injuries and possible time frames.
14 minutes between Watkin's visits.

One of the keyboard experts,especially of the Jack had no anatomical knowledge school, might be able to inform us of how this was possible.

Of those who claim more expertise than Wynne Baxter,a life Governor of The London Hospital from 1889 , with FRMS and FGS to go with his LL.B,kindly state your qualifications.
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Wynne Baxter might have been a hospital governor, but a medical man he was not. He wasn't even a scientist of any description.
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A cousin is a life Governor of a major Melbourne hospital.
He isn't a medical man either. Nor a scientist .
Thanks for your input Sam.
I'd consider Baxter to be a learned man.
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He was definitely learned, but not in biology, anatomy or medicine.
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Hard to believe Eddowes could've been strangled or slammed to the floor without the nearby nightwatchman hearing a sound.
Only a semi-serious question; how much noise does one make when being strangled? I would think the answer varies between almost none and quite a bit depending on how adept at strangling the strangler is.

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