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Old 12-11-2017, 12:17 PM
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Sorry, Rock, I didn't mean for the question to be asked cynically, I honestly didn't know, haha, lot of details still jumbled up. The part about the midwife was just my speculation. What drew my interest, obviously, was the brown parcel paper and the disposal of the newborns in public locations and the similarities to the Torso Killer's method. One article went so far as to report how neatly the parcel had been tied up, but that wasn,'t always the case.
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Many of the torso parts were wrapped in clothing (see Elizabeth Jackson's Ulster coat). The thigh of Elizabeth Jackson was wrapped in the pocket of what was thought to be part of a costermonger's apron. I'll have to look back to see how many of the parts (87-89) were actually parceled with paper. The Pinchin torso was found naked save part of a torn chemise.
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The child found under a seat on the Liverpool tramcar was wrapped in a piece of cotton cloth and brown parcel paper. (May 88)
The child found at the Board school, Deptford Lower-Road, was wrapped in a diaper napkin.
The child found at Archbishop Holgate's School was wrapped in flannel and brown paper. {"The parcel was nealy wrapt and sewn up with fine string" York Herald, 16 Jun 88}
The child found in Old Church Lane, York was found wrapped in black corded-silk skirt. (Jul 88)
The child left at Hampstead cemetery was wrapped in linen. (Jul 88)
The child found on the London and NorthWestern train from broad street was wrapped up in rags and brown paper. (Aug 88)
The child found floating near Corn-Mill Bridge, Knottingly, was wrapped in woman's cotton drawers and brown paper and tied up with a string. (Sep 88)
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interesting thank you devil. so was the whitehall torso actually wrapped in course cloth (canvas?) and bound tightly with cord/string? I read an article the other day that stated as much
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daily gazette middlesborough 10/8/88 talks abut lily vass and says police have traced the dress maker to a west end proprietor. anyoner have the forgfotten ripper ebook who can do grabs?
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Dr Bond said the Pimlico arm absolutely fit the the whitehall torso
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daily gazette middlesborough 10/8/88 talks abut lily vass and says police have traced the dress maker to a west end proprietor. anyoner have the forgfotten ripper ebook who can do grabs?
"One officer states that the maker of the silk skirt in which the body was found has been discovered. The maker is the proprietor of a West End establishment. Having discovered so much, it is probable the person who ordered and received the skirt will be reached. Thus some sensational development of the case is anticipated."
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Western Daily Press 9th Oct;

"Inspector Marshall, who has charge of the case, said the piece of dress in which the body was wrapped was of broche satin cloth, of Bradford manufacture, but of an old pattern - probably three years ago. It was a rather common material, costing about sixpence-half-penny a yard when new. There was a six-inch flounce at the bottom of the dress."
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This thread is bumped up, and the discussion from an Alice MacKenzie thread is moved over. How do we explain the similarities inbetween Chapman, Kelly and Liz Jackson, unless we accept that the killer was one and the same?
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How do we explain the similarities inbetween Chapman, Kelly and Liz Jackson, unless we accept that the killer was one and the same?
How do we explain the similarities? You're presuming that the "similarities" you see (cut throat, abdominal flaps) are somehow objective truths, when they're not. They're very much subjective interpretations and, in the case of the cut throats, over-interpretations of the evidence.

You recently wrote something like "Chapman and Kelly had their throats cut, and Jackson drastically so". Now, having your head chopped off isn't the same as having your throat cut, and it takes a huge amount of special pleading to put them in the same category, as if decapitation were an extreme form of throat-cutting. It isn't; decapitation happens, not because the killer wants to kill you quickly (as per Chapman/Kelly), but because he wants to cut you in pieces after he's killed you (as per Jackson and the other Torso victims). There's no comparison between the JTR and Torso cases to be found here.

I won't comment in detail on the apparent similarity of the "three slips/flaps" - which we've argued to death in the past - except to say that my interpretation of the evidence sees little or no similarity there, either.
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