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Old 12-13-2017, 01:25 AM
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Hi Jeff!

I know...

The year 2017 is coming to the end and there's still a lot to be done. Have a nice time and Merry Christmas. See you after the new year.

Yours Karsten.
As you know Catrin is now back on her feet and well. And we hope to continue our search of Private asylum records in the New year.

I'll have a further thought on your ideas and try and put together a detailed time line, as i see it, from Aaron first coming into contact with the police following the Berner Street murder, through to the MacNaughten report and his eventual transfer to Leavesdon, possibly taking the police comments and timelines beyond.

Had another mad idea....well perhaps a 'Loony' idea

I'm interested in Schizophrenic 'cycles' and how those patterns of 'illness' and apparent 'recovery' might fit into the time line, having read some research that the Moon indeed effects the mind,perhaps i require an astrologist?.

I've still loads of scanning to complete for the Hammersmith Nude project, but hopefully by the weekend....I can get something started

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Old 12-13-2017, 10:29 AM
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Looking through the workhouse records I found a young Jewish lad (presumably abandoned) This was in 1889 and his name was Aaron Wiseman of Goulston street. He was only 11 and at the end it stated he was passed on to the Jewish Board of Guardians.
Would someone who was mentally ill be passed onto them also?

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Looking through the workhouse records I found a young Jewish lad (presumably abandoned) This was in 1889 and his name was Aaron Wiseman of Goulston street. He was only 11 and at the end it stated he was passed on to the Jewish Board of Guardians.
Would someone who was mentally ill be passed onto them also?
Might be possible... Pat, do you have information about the Jewish Stepney Green Infirmary (off Mile End Road if I´m right)

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I can only find records from 1900 on for the jews Hospital. I will keep looking....

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Old 12-13-2017, 01:08 PM
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Royal London Hospital
. This institution was founded in
1750 and has always had close links with the Jewish
community. The Sophia, Talbot and Raphael wards catered for
Orthodox Jews and kosher food was provided. The hospital
also received substantial support from wealthy Jewish
businessmen including the Rothschilds, Samuel Lewis, Basil
Henriques and Samuel Montag

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Old 12-13-2017, 01:47 PM
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Thanks Pat!

From my notes:

Nightingale (an asylum in Surrey):

“The charity’s origins can be traced back to 1840. The three original homes were called the Hand in Hand Asylum, the Widows’ Home Asylum and the Jewish Workhouse, also known as the Jewish Home. They were established in the old Jewish quarter in London’s East End to cater for the needs of poor Jewish people”

“The Hand in Hand Home occupied the following premises: 5 Duke's Place (from 1843), 22 Jewry Street (from 1850), Wellclose Square (from 1854) and 23 Well Street, Hackney (from 1878). The Widow's Home was first based at 22 Mitre Street, then 19 Duke Street (from 1850), 67 Great Prescott Street, Goodmans Fields (from 1857) and later moved next door to the Hand in Hand in 1880.
The Jewish Workhouse was founded in 1871 by a movement led by Solomon Green, the son of Abraham Green one of the founders of the Widow's Home. The first premises were at 123 Wentworth Street. In 1876 the Home moved to 37-9 Stepney Green.”

Later, if I´m correct, the Jewish Workhouse became the Jewish Hospital at the same address.

Maybe there are no records or are not available to the public.

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Old 12-17-2017, 08:56 PM
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Maybe the attack on his sister with a knife could have been the only incident that the family, the police and doctors ever having seen. Apart from some outbursts of rage.
The Ripper was not someone who ran around the streets brandishing a knife. We can be pretty sure there would have been reports of this if & when it happened. In fact it is far more likely that his victims never saw a knife.

The Ripper was a strangler, who, from what we can tell, only drew the knife when his victims were out cold.
Did Kozminski ever threaten to strangle anyone?
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The Kosminski theorists have done a good job of appropriating Donald Swanson, and perhaps this is justified. In their view, they 'own' him.

Yet, it seems to me that it is possible to argue that the so-called Swanson marginalia is merely 'exegesis' and not endorsement. In other words, Anderson's writing is rather vague and cryptic, and Swanson is merely 'fleshing it out' with the appropriate data, since he, obviously, was there at the time, and must have discussed, probed,and argued these circumstances with Anderson on dozens of occasions. In the marginalia, he is giving his old chief's view of things.

Yes, it could be wholehearted endorsement--probably--but, for all I know, had Swanson owned a copy of Days of My Years, he could have scribbled similarly positive sounding statements in the margins of the Druitt chapter.

Thus, the assumption being made about Swanson's 1895 statement that the Ripper was a man now 'dead,' is that he is referring to the same suspect named 15+ years later in the marginalia. But 1895 is only a year after MM's famous memo, when the 'drowned doctor' became the party line. It could be a reference to Druitt, who, for whatever reason, Swanson later dropped.
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Old 12-19-2017, 12:20 PM
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But 1895 was only a year after Macnaghten's February 1894 Memorandum wherein Kosminski's name is mentioned. It therefore seems inconceivable that Swanson would not have known the name "Kosminski" a year later and that Kosminski must be the one Swanson was referring to (mistakenly?) as then "dead".
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Old 12-19-2017, 03:06 PM
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Hi Scott!

Did you see what Howard had posted on JTRForums today?

Post 257:

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....708#post336708

South Wales Echo, July 17, 1889

A Daring Fiend!

An ex-member of the Metropolitan Police, who was standing talking with a friend at the corner of Castle Alley, not more than forty yards distant, about the time of the occurrence, saw and heard nothing of the affair. The special patrol on this beat did not see anything to cause suspicion, and only 40 minutes previously an officer left the Castle-alley at the Aldgate High Street end, where he had been on special duty. It is stated that some 50 extra Constables from other districts were withdrawn from this neighbourhood within the past few weeks. While there is a general belief among the police that the murderer has been secreted in the district, there is another equaily strong opinion that the author of these horrible crimes is a foreign butcher.


Had he been on special duty at the southern end of Castle Alley with a view to Whitechapel High Street or had he been on special duty at the Aldgate High Street end? I think if he left Castle Alley he was walking on Whitechapel High Street.

I guess the end of the Aldgate High Street (Butchers Row) was located 80m from the southern end of Castle Alley.

It reminds me of Sergeant Stephen White (MET):

"For five nights we had been watching a certain alley behind the Whitechapel Road. It could only be entered from where we had two men posted in hiding, and persons entering the alley were under observation by the two men."

If the officer had been on special duty in Castle Alley at the end of Whitechapel High Street it could be the certain alley behind Whitechapel Road.

I know White must be treated with caution...

On the other hand the report also mentioned the Adgate High Street end (Butchers Row) and a foreign butcher. "is a foreign butcher" "sounded topical" at the time of the Mackenzie murder.

Greetings, Karsten.
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