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Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 06:55 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
You say they would have to be dumb. The reality...

You say they would have to be dumb.
The reality is, the police have no authority to do what you say.
Forum: Elizabeth Stride Yesterday, 05:35 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Perhaps if the context was changed. If we were to...

Perhaps if the context was changed.
If we were to ask a group of East End prostitutes if they had ever been assaulted twice in fifteen minutes, do you think they all would say never?
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 05:25 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
I didn't. Researchers who DID read the book...

I didn't.

Researchers who DID read the book provided that conclusion.
Where is this going?, you seem to be taking the position that Senise did provide the necessary evidence.
If he did (in your...
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 04:43 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
How do you mean "just like...

How do you mean "just like Lawende"?
Are you saying he was required to keep in touch with the police?

I think you will have a hard time substantiating this supposed requirement.
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 04:39 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Trevor. The comparison just might be being made...

Trevor.

The comparison just might be being made by the journalist, not Bowyer.

"Harry Bowyer states that on Wednesday night he saw a man speaking to Kelly who resembled the description given by the...
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 03:00 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
I used this source where it says once...

I used this source where it says once "interpretation" is used, the account is a secondary source.
https://sccollege.edu/Library/Pages/primarysources.aspx
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 02:57 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
All the witness statements taken by Abberline on...

All the witness statements taken by Abberline on 9 Nov. in Millers Court were taken in first-hand, except that of Bowyer.
Bowyer's appears to have been the first statement taken by Abberline, after...
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 02:50 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
This was at least 2 and a half years after the...

This was at least 2 and a half years after the Kelly murder. You seriously think witnesses are expected to keep in touch with police for the rest of their lives?
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 02:42 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
This you mean? "Harry Bowyer states that on...

This you mean?

"Harry Bowyer states that on Wednesday night he saw a man speaking to Kelly who resembled the description given by the fruiterer of the supposed Berner Street murderer. He was,...
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 02:37 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Honestly Ben, I don't know what you are talking...

Honestly Ben, I don't know what you are talking about.

This is more of the article - he saw the man in question, he just wasn't aware at the time that this man would be viewed as the...
Forum: Hutchinson, George Yesterday, 02:27 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Yes, in general I agree, but I'm not altogether...

Yes, in general I agree, but I'm not altogether sure about your secondary example.
If the original newspaper sold a story that was edited down by the end user that doesn't make it a secondary...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-20-2018, 06:26 PM
Replies: 1,711
Views: 86,337
Posted By Wickerman
It's not really a question of whether a newspaper...

It's not really a question of whether a newspaper is a primary or secondary source. Such a statement is misleading.

It is the stories that are either primary or secondary.
A newspaper provides both...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-20-2018, 06:21 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
This must be what you are referring to. "He...

This must be what you are referring to.

"He said to an Echo reporter this morning. "The murderer couldn't have come to a worse place (for escaping) than this court. There is only this narrow...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-20-2018, 06:15 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Bowyer's was only questioned about his discovery...

Bowyer's was only questioned about his discovery of the body, not what he was doing seven hours before.
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-20-2018, 06:11 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
As I've said before Gareth, Hutchinson was not...

As I've said before Gareth, Hutchinson was not defending himself in his statement. It was Abberline who would have asked him for some corroboration and we do not know what words passed between...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-20-2018, 06:07 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
The press report about Bowyer tells us he saw the...

The press report about Bowyer tells us he saw the same man described by Hutchinson.

"Early on Friday morning Bowyer saw a man, whose description tallies with that of the supposed murderer. Bowyer...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-20-2018, 05:53 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
What do they do, put a Wanted add in the papers...

What do they do, put a Wanted add in the papers for Mr George Hutchinson to come to the station?
It's not like we haven't been over that before.

Lawende had a business, the police knew where to find...
Forum: Elizabeth Stride 09-20-2018, 12:01 PM
Replies: 153
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Posted By Wickerman
I've always been interested as to why the hat...

I've always been interested as to why the hat worn by the Smith suspect changed.
The first police circular across the various stations was purloined by the press and published on Oct. 1st.

"The...
Forum: Elizabeth Stride 09-20-2018, 10:50 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 29,807
Posted By Wickerman
Where do we learn that Schwartz knew Wess...

Where do we learn that Schwartz knew Wess (West)?




Agreed in principal, but it's not certain.
Forum: Elizabeth Stride 09-20-2018, 10:43 AM
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Posted By Wickerman
It strikes me that Phillips was being particular...

It strikes me that Phillips was being particular in pointing out the blood stains were on the back of the hand and on the wrist.
If there had been blood in the palm of her hand it would have...
Forum: Elizabeth Stride 09-19-2018, 05:20 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 29,807
Posted By Wickerman
Swanson, when making reference to the time...

Swanson, when making reference to the time between the assault and the body being discovered wrote:
".....the murderous action would I think be a question of so many minutes, five at least, ten at...
Forum: Elizabeth Stride 09-19-2018, 04:50 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 29,807
Posted By Wickerman
If you are startled by a slice to the throat,...

If you are startled by a slice to the throat, without thinking you would grab your neck with your hand. Any blood would then be in the palm of the hand. This was stated by Phillips to be on the back...
Forum: Elizabeth Stride 09-19-2018, 01:55 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 29,807
Posted By Wickerman
Hi Robert. If you look at the testimony of PC...

Hi Robert.

If you look at the testimony of PC Lamb, he makes two interesting comments that may help to explain the blood on the back of her hand.

He said:
"...I felt the wrist, but could not...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-19-2018, 01:23 PM
Replies: 1,711
Views: 86,337
Posted By Wickerman
It isn't "theorising" to point out that...

It isn't "theorising" to point out that the suggested identification failed.
An identification depends on certain criteria, when it is found to be lacking, then what other conclusion is available?...
Forum: Hutchinson, George 09-19-2018, 12:22 PM
Replies: 1,711
Views: 86,337
Posted By Wickerman
To his superiors? This report was not released to...

To his superiors?
This report was not released to the press, it was an internal report.
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