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Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-15-2018, 07:29 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Correct, each muscle is only attached to a bone...

Correct, each muscle is only attached to a bone at the ends, by tendons. Once the knife slices the tendon the muscle can fall away from the bone at one end.
I can only speak to stripping lamb, pork &...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-15-2018, 07:11 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
I certainly agree that the Lancet only provided...

I certainly agree that the Lancet only provided paraphrase. In fact it begins with, "he stated that.....", and then proceeds to describe the gory details.
So the Lancet are not using any verbatim...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-15-2018, 03:42 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
Gareth. The press coverage of the Chapman...

Gareth.

The press coverage of the Chapman inquest appears to have a break in the testimony following women & children being removed in preparation of the release of the horrific details.

The BMJ...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-14-2018, 03:47 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
In my case, it was the killer who took the...

In my case, it was the killer who took the organs.

My comment was with reference to a theory from around 2000, about 18 years ago. That the killer might be medically trained, but not licensed, so...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-13-2018, 08:39 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
One member several years ago posted a price list...

One member several years ago posted a price list from some medical source for a variety of organs. I remember talking with Ivor Edwards about it, if anyone remembers who that was.
It seemed clear...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-13-2018, 05:29 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
But isn't it true that you had to be a member of...

But isn't it true that you had to be a member of the medical fraternity to obtain the organs?
How would a surgeon who had been struck off, or an aspiring student who failed the grade, how would they...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-12-2018, 09:34 AM
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Posted By Wickerman
Trevor. You are the one who needs to show or...

Trevor.
You are the one who needs to show or prove that someone else was able to gain unaccompanied access to the body when it was either outside the shed, or inside the shed, all the while in the...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-12-2018, 07:37 AM
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Posted By Wickerman
Three comments you made... We are commenting on...

Three comments you made...


We are commenting on various steps in a sequence of events.
Yes, the body was outside at the time the nurses arrived, but taken inside to be stripped. Mann locked the...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-11-2018, 02:54 PM
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Posted By Wickerman
The shed was locked, the constable stands outside...

The shed was locked, the constable stands outside while no-one is inside.



Yes, what you write only confirms what I said at the start. The police retain custody. It doesn't matter whether the...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-11-2018, 11:06 AM
Replies: 852
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Posted By Wickerman
As we read, Sgt. Badham accompanied the body to...

As we read, Sgt. Badham accompanied the body to the mortuary, and stayed with it until Insp. Chandler arrived, then came Dr Phillips.
This is the chain of custody at work.
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-11-2018, 10:46 AM
Replies: 852
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Posted By Wickerman
Agreed. The issue here is who gave...

Agreed. The issue here is who gave permission.
Chandler did not say he was not present, had that been the case it would have been his first response.
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-11-2018, 10:39 AM
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Posted By Wickerman
Before the inquest? What you are talking about is...

Before the inquest?
What you are talking about is after the body is discharged by the police.
And, with the required consent.
Once again you try to mix apples & oranges in defending your...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-11-2018, 08:02 AM
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Posted By Wickerman
Yes, so who is authorized? Is your organ thief a...

Yes, so who is authorized?
Is your organ thief a person authorized (by police or coroner) to have unaccompanied access to the body?



The mortuary had no permanent staff, so no-one had 'daily...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-10-2018, 08:02 PM
Replies: 852
Views: 100,544
Posted By Wickerman
Yes Trevor, by "as is required" I mean...

Yes Trevor, by "as is required" I mean to protect the evidence. The body is evidence in a murder case. 'Chain of custody', a term more familiar today, I assume, still applied in the late 19th...
Forum: General Suspect Discussion 11-10-2018, 08:25 AM
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Views: 134,078
Posted By Wickerman
I think you're on the right track, that the...

I think you're on the right track, that the killer had some medical knowledge, as opposed to a local dosser on a drunken rampage.

What is often overlooked is that even an experienced hand can leave...
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-10-2018, 08:03 AM
Replies: 852
Views: 100,544
Posted By Wickerman
We do have an account of a constable posted at...

We do have an account of a constable posted at the mortuary, as is required, to stop unauthorized people gaining access to the body.
Forum: Mary Jane Kelly 11-06-2018, 02:51 PM
Replies: 852
Views: 100,544
Posted By Wickerman
Trevor. Not too long ago we had another debate...

Trevor.

Not too long ago we had another debate about whether Kelly's heart was removed.
Dr. Bond wrote: "heart absent".
Where the conventional view is that he meant the heart was missing, not found...
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-06-2018, 02:26 PM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
I do not see Harvey's contribution as of any...

I do not see Harvey's contribution as of any significance.
He estimated his arrival at the Mitre Sq. end of Church Passage at 1:41 or 1:42 (18 or 19 minutes to 2.00).
Watkins arrived at 1:44.
If the...
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-05-2018, 03:55 PM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
Yes, that is intentional. Harvey did not know...

Yes, that is intentional.
Harvey did not know what time he reached Mitre Square.
Watkins wore a watch, Harvey did not.
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-05-2018, 03:42 PM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
Completely agree, we go with the evidence.

Completely agree, we go with the evidence.
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-04-2018, 05:06 PM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
The obvious drawback with this scenario is it...

The obvious drawback with this scenario is it casts doubt on Watkins story of him passing through the square at 1:30.
Did he really check that corner?
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-04-2018, 04:42 PM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
Much of what you write seems to be influenced by...

Much of what you write seems to be influenced by the time window.
My view is the time window is wrong.

If the woman seen with a man in Duke street at the end of Church Passage was not Eddowes, then...
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-04-2018, 08:30 AM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
Yes, but realistically, would a killer wait in...

Yes, but realistically, would a killer wait in silence on the opposite side of the square?
Anyone in the square would hear the slow tread of PC Harvey as he approached down Church Passage. Footsteps...
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-04-2018, 06:21 AM
Replies: 131
Views: 6,579
Posted By Wickerman
I think the distance across the square at that...

I think the distance across the square at that point, from the end of Church Passage, where Harvey stopped, was about 70+ ft.
There was a lamp at the end of Church Passage but it will not cast any...
Forum: Motive, Method and Madness 11-04-2018, 06:03 AM
Replies: 257
Views: 20,058
Posted By Wickerman
I don't believe witness statements are taken as...

I don't believe witness statements are taken as 'the gospel truth' by the police, neither should we take them as 'the gospel truth'.
It is though a stated record of what took place, and as such is...
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