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Mr Lucky 04-17-2012 12:55 AM

Church Row
 
Hi everyone,

Could anyone be so kind as to point out where 'Church Row' is, please. I think it is near the junction of Baker's Row and Bucks Row but I have been unable to locate it.

Thanks.

lynn cates 04-17-2012 01:00 AM

Long story
 
Hello Lucky. Welcome to the boards.

Are you looking, perhaps, for Mrs. Long's residence? If so, there is still a bit of debate on that.

Cheers.
LC

Simon Wood 04-17-2012 01:05 AM

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Hi Mr Lucky,

Welcome to Casebook.

Here's Church Street.

Attachment 13714

Source: 1888 Post Office Map.

Regards,

Simon

Mr Lucky 04-17-2012 01:32 AM

Hi Lynn and Simon,

Thanks for the speedy replies.

Sorry, I could have been clearer, the reference is from Robert Paul, Lloyds Weekly News, 2 sept 1888 -
'I saw one in Church-row, just at the top of Buck's-row'

I'm assuming he means the opposite end to the Brady street end.

Rob Clack 04-17-2012 01:32 AM

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Presumably you mean this one. Just of Bethnal Green Road and is called St Matthews Row today.

Attachment 13715

Rob

Rob Clack 04-17-2012 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Lucky (Post 216731)
Hi Lynn and Simon,

Thanks for the speedy replies.

Sorry, I could have been clearer, the reference is from Robert Paul, Lloyds Weekly News, 2 sept 1888 -
'I saw one in Church-row, just at the top of Buck's-row'

I'm assuming he means the opposite end to the Brady street end.

I think that is an error as there isn't a Church Row. Whites Row was the tail end of Bucks Row. The Eastern end of Hanbury Street use to be called Church Street, but I think Robert Paul was talking about PC Mizen who said he was in Hanbury Street so I would think that is what Paul meant.

Rob

Mr Lucky 04-17-2012 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Clack (Post 216735)
I think that is an error as there isn't a Church Row. Whites Row was the tail end of Bucks Row. The Eastern end of Hanbury Street use to be called Church Street, but I think Robert Paul was talking about PC Mizen who said he was in Hanbury Street so I would think that is what Paul meant.

Rob

Hi Rob,
Thanks for the help, That does explain why I couldn't find it on the O.S. map I looked at!

However, it has to noticed that Paul said 'At the top of Bucks row' as a qualifier, so it is possible 'Church row' was a local nickname and not recorded on contempary maps? As Paul lived and worked in the area, I'm surprised he could so easily mix up Bucks row and Hanbury Street .

I had previously, considered Paul may have been refering to 'Court Street'

Also, just out of curiosity, when did the Church street changed its name to Hanbury street?, wasn't part of Hanbury Street previously known as 'Brown's Lane' as well, was that at the same time?

Thanks again

Rob Clack 04-17-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Lucky (Post 216741)
Also, just out of curiosity, when did the Church street changed its name to Hanbury street?, wasn't part of Hanbury Street previously known as 'Brown's Lane' as well, was that at the same time?

Thanks again

I think it was mid 1870s but can't remember the exact date. Hanbury Street was previously split into four names, Browns Lane, Montague Street, Preston Street and Church Street.

Rob

Mr Lucky 04-17-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Clack (Post 216779)
I think it was mid 1870s but can't remember the exact date. Hanbury Street was previously split into four names, Browns Lane, Montague Street, Preston Street and Church Street.

Rob

Thanks again Rob, That's very useful information as I had seen references to 'Montague Street' and had assumed that it was the same road as 'Old Montague Street'.

I have for some time now studied the finding of Mary Ann Nichols body as a narrative, almost independent from the JtR case as a whole, and I think I have discovered something quite curious about it, nothing earthshattering but something I feel is worth bringing to the attention of you serious students of the case. I have written, for want of a better word, an essay on the subject. A couple of friends of mine, who have an interest in the whitechapel mystery, have read it and feel it's sound. I'm not an academic and really i'm in over my head here, so any advise would be greatfully received, but I'm seriously thinking of sending it to 'Ripperologist' magazine.

lynn cates 04-17-2012 04:15 PM

interesting
 
Hello Lucky. Sounds interesting. Love to see your work.

Cheers.
LC


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