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Pierre 09-25-2017 12:20 PM

The single source question
 
In the case of Lechmere and the inquest, only one newspaper reported his home address (according to Fisherman).

Why?

Pierre

Elamarna 09-25-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 430481)
In the case of Lechmere and the inquest, only one newspaper reported his home address (according to Fisherman).

Why?

Pierre

Pierre

Something I have been looking at myself, there are several possible reasons, all of which I am a dressing in part 3. If you have any ideas I would be glad to hear them.


Steve

Pierre 09-25-2017 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elamarna (Post 430483)
Pierre

Something I have been looking at myself, there are several possible reasons, all of which I am a dressing in part 3. If you have any ideas I would be glad to hear them.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I do not really have any "ideas". The only hypothesis I want to put forth is that The Star had their own way of collecting information.

What the method was I donīt know.

Pierre

Elamarna 09-25-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 430484)
Hi Steve,

I do not really have any "ideas". The only hypothesis I want to put forth is that The Star had their own way of collecting information.

What the method was I donīt know.

Pierre

Some interesting points to note from my work.

Of the 8 reports of Llewellyn's testimony only four give his address.
For Eade it's none in 4 reports, and for Mulshaw his address is given only once in 7 reports.

It seems that including the address in press reports of the Nichols inquest did not always occur. I may carry out a quick of the other murders to see if this is repeated if I find the time.

In the Mulshaw reports his address is given only by the Times. It may not therefore be the star was better at collecting.

So the answer may be as simply the press didn't always give full details in the reports.
It will be interesting to see what results I get when I move to Mitre Sq with a copy of the official report available.


Steve

GUT 09-25-2017 02:04 PM

Probably for the same reason press reports today are exactly the same across papers.

Column inches.

Elamarna 09-25-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GUT (Post 430492)
Probably for the same reason press reports today are exactly the same across papers.

Column inches.

My thoughts exactly Geoff, but I will look at all options.
Don't think Pierre's hypothesis will hold up, but the thread is useful to point it out.
And of course such argues against other ideas that there was something special about Lechmere only having one report of his address.

Steve

Sam Flynn 09-25-2017 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 430481)
In the case of Lechmere and the inquest, only one newspaper reported his home address (according to Fisherman).

Why?

Why not? Seriously; I'm not being flippant.

I can't see why all newspapers should be expected report all the information all the time. Column-space was limited, and the papers weren't obliged to print anything, really. In the case of the Nichols murder, of course, the big surge of interest in the case had yet to kick off in earnest, so - as we've seen - press coverage wasn't as near as extensive or comprehensive as it would later become.

MysterySinger 09-25-2017 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 430484)
Hi Steve,

I do not really have any "ideas". The only hypothesis I want to put forth is that The Star had their own way of collecting information.

What the method was I donīt know.

Pierre

The implication being that the address wasn't given at the inquest but The Star found it out some other way (i.e. the address of Cross rather than Lechmere)? Also that Cross didn't even give his address?

Elamarna 09-26-2017 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MysterySinger (Post 430506)
The implication being that the address wasn't given at the inquest but The Star found it out some other way (i.e. the address of Cross rather than Lechmere)? Also that Cross didn't even give his address?

That is certainly what some have suggested. However the other examples I have postrd suggest that this is not an isolated example and to interpret it as being an attempt at avoidance is not supported by the sources.


Steve

Pierre 09-26-2017 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elamarna (Post 430486)
Some interesting points to note from my work.

Of the 8 reports of Llewellyn's testimony only four give his address.
For Eade it's none in 4 reports, and for Mulshaw his address is given only once in 7 reports.

It seems that including the address in press reports of the Nichols inquest did not always occur. I may carry out a quick of the other murders to see if this is repeated if I find the time.

In the Mulshaw reports his address is given only by the Times. It may not therefore be the star was better at collecting.

So the answer may be as simply the press didn't always give full details in the reports.
It will be interesting to see what results I get when I move to Mitre Sq with a copy of the official report available.

Steve

Yes, I think you are right, the press did not always give full details. But we donīt know why and can not generalize from small samples.

Pierre

Elamarna 09-26-2017 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 430569)
Yes, I think you are right, the press did not always give full details. But we donīt know why and can not generalize from small samples.

Pierre

Yes the sample size is very small I agree. And I also agree we cannot generalize.
The sample does however show that Lechmere only having his address in one report was not unique in the Nichols case.

I will be interested when I look at Mitre square to see if similar happens for any of the witnesses there.


Steve

etenguy 09-28-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Elamarna (Post 430576)
Yes the sample size is very small I agree. And I also agree we cannot generalize.
The sample does however show that Lechmere only having his address in one report was not unique in the Nichols case.

I will be interested when I look at Mitre square to see if similar happens for any of the witnesses there.


Steve

Are you writing a book or report?

Michael W Richards 09-29-2017 02:42 AM

I think that people should consider that Central Press was not the equivalent of modern day Associated Press, and individual reporters were under no obligation or had no mandate to share whatever they uncovered with any news pools.

Elamarna 09-29-2017 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by etenguy (Post 430730)
Are you writing a book or report?

A series of posts. See the Bucks Row Project and project 2 thread.

Part 3 which is underway will give full discussion on many of the theories about Bucks Row.
The Mitre square stuff will follow next year. Wickerman has already done something similar I understand, it will be a source for others to use.


Steve

etenguy 10-01-2017 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Elamarna (Post 430787)
A series of posts. See the Bucks Row Project and project 2 thread.

Part 3 which is underway will give full discussion on many of the theories about Bucks Row.
The Mitre square stuff will follow next year. Wickerman has already done something similar I understand, it will be a source for others to use.


Steve

Thanks Elamarna - sounds interesting, I shall certainly look out your posts.

Wickerman 10-01-2017 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elamarna (Post 430787)
A series of posts. See the Bucks Row Project and project 2 thread.

Part 3 which is underway will give full discussion on many of the theories about Bucks Row.
The Mitre square stuff will follow next year. Wickerman has already done something similar I understand, it will be a source for others to use.


Steve

Hi Steve.
Very interesting.

Yes, I took the testimony of each witness in the Eddowes case and compiled about eight different sources which reported on that same testimony. This provides a deeper and broader understanding of what the witness was saying. and naturally, a clearer understanding of what may have occurred that night.

There is also a larger study of the Kelly inquest, I posted that on the JTRForums some years ago. It has now expanded to 20 sources (19 newspapers + the court record), and comprises 73 pages.
If these are any help in your future studies I would be more than happy to share what I have.

I was asked once if I would consider publishing it in Ripperologist, but when I pointed out the size, I never heard back, it's not surprising.

Elamarna 10-01-2017 11:06 AM

Thanks Jon,

I may take you up on the Eddowes stuff so we can see 2 sets of comparisons.

Yes Ripperologist like about 4000 words so I can see why 73 pages is a issue.

My stuff is not only up here and on JtR forums but if anyone wants to statements(part 2)
I will happily send it, minus my comments by email as a set of searchable PDF files for nothing.


Will get back to you on it next year sometime.
Thank you for the offer, sharing research and working with others is something I greatly am in favour of.

Steve






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Originally Posted by Wickerman (Post 430990)
Hi Steve.
Very interesting.

Yes, I took the testimony of each witness in the Eddowes case and compiled about eight different sources which reported on that same testimony. This provides a deeper and broader understanding of what the witness was saying. and naturally, a clearer understanding of what may have occurred that night.

There is also a larger study of the Kelly inquest, I posted that on the JTRForums some years ago. It has now expanded to 20 sources (19 newspapers + the court record), and comprises 73 pages.
If these are any help in your future studies I would be more than happy to share what I have.

I was asked once if I would consider publishing it in Ripperologist, but when I pointed out the size, I never heard back, it's not surprising.



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