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Chava 11-26-2017 01:14 PM

Mr Blotchy
 
(Sorry! I put this in the wrong area originally!)

Iím seriously surprised Mr Blotchy is not being looked at as the #1 candidate for the Whitechapel Murderer. Here is Ada Wilsonís description of her attacker:
Height 5í6. Sunburnt face. Fair moustache. Dark coat, wideawake hat.

Here is Lawendeís description of the man seen with Catherine Eddowes before her death:
Height 5í 7-9. Fair complexion. Small fair moustache. Red necktie. Rough/shabby. Wearing a loose pepper and salt jacket and grey cloth cap. Slightly later versions have the moustache as Ďfullí.

Here is Mary Coxís description of the man seen going into her room at Millers Court with her:
Short, stout shabby man with a blotchy face and full carroty moustache. Billycock hat.

These descriptions all sound very similar.

The argument against Mr Blotchy is that Kelly was clearly alive and singing for an hour after she went into her room with him. However we donít know what the killerís MO was. He must have killed Eddowes fairly shortly after meeting her. But we have no idea how long he spent with the others. There are fairly large gaps in Nicholsí timeline and in Chapmanís and a reasonably large gap in Strideís. We canít extrapolate a pattern of behaviour from one murder in the series. I think itís entirely possible that he spent time with them before the killings. And even if his intent was to kill Kelly immediately, he had been seen by a witness entering her room. So itís in his best interest to leave her demonstrably alive for a while. Either that or move in which he likely didnít want to do.

As well, there is the second slash across the throat. Which is apparently known as the Ďinsurance cutí among pathologists. Makes sense. Ada Wilson survived to tell the tale. And may have forced him underground for a few months. He wouldnít want to leave any other survivors.

kjab3112 11-26-2017 02:35 PM

One problem is that the description is so vague and frankly average. Average height of military recruits at the time 5'6" to 5'8"; immigrant population likely to have a fair number of Irish, Poles, Scots, Scandinavians - blonde-ginger moustache more probable. Predominantly working class labourers locally - stocky with shabby appearance.

The flip side is IF they were the same person, the fact that Jack was Joe Average, perhaps that helped him blend in so well and gain the trust of the girls (Astrakhan man would've stood out like a sore thumb imo) and then disappear into the night

Abby Normal 11-26-2017 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chava (Post 435878)
(Sorry! I put this in the wrong area originally!)

Iím seriously surprised Mr Blotchy is not being looked at as the #1 candidate for the Whitechapel Murderer. Here is Ada Wilsonís description of her attacker:
Height 5í6. Sunburnt face. Fair moustache. Dark coat, wideawake hat.

Here is Lawendeís description of the man seen with Catherine Eddowes before her death:
Height 5í 7-9. Fair complexion. Small fair moustache. Red necktie. Rough/shabby. Wearing a loose pepper and salt jacket and grey cloth cap. Slightly later versions have the moustache as Ďfullí.

Here is Mary Coxís description of the man seen going into her room at Millers Court with her:
Short, stout shabby man with a blotchy face and full carroty moustache. Billycock hat.

These descriptions all sound very similar.

The argument against Mr Blotchy is that Kelly was clearly alive and singing for an hour after she went into her room with him. However we donít know what the killerís MO was. He must have killed Eddowes fairly shortly after meeting her. But we have no idea how long he spent with the others. There are fairly large gaps in Nicholsí timeline and in Chapmanís and a reasonably large gap in Strideís. We canít extrapolate a pattern of behaviour from one murder in the series. I think itís entirely possible that he spent time with them before the killings. And even if his intent was to kill Kelly immediately, he had been seen by a witness entering her room. So itís in his best interest to leave her demonstrably alive for a while. Either that or move in which he likely didnít want to do.

As well, there is the second slash across the throat. Which is apparently known as the Ďinsurance cutí among pathologists. Makes sense. Ada Wilson survived to tell the tale. And may have forced him underground for a few months. He wouldnít want to leave any other survivors.

Hi Chava
Indeed, I have blotchy as my favored suspect along with hutch.

He was the last credible suspect seen with Mary, was never cleared and never came forward. He fits the profile of the avg. joe serial killer and as you mentioned fit several witness descriptions. I believe the man spotted at fiddymonts pub was also described as having reddish hair.

I also think if he was the killer, he didnít immediately kill Mary because of all the activity around millers court and may have bided his time until all was quiet.

The evidence seems to indicate Mary knew her killer, and of course their activity together seems to fit that, if even it was just a casual acquaintance.

I think he gets overlooked as a candidate for the ripper.

Harry D 11-26-2017 04:12 PM

Iím half-remembering but wasnít there a report of a policeman following a man who fit Blotchy's description? They didnít pursue it because at that point their focus had turned to Astrakhan? Something like that.

GUT 11-26-2017 05:27 PM

One of the more reasonable suspects anyway.

Robert St Devil 11-26-2017 05:55 PM

Hi Abby.

Joseph Taylor described the man leaving fiddymont's as having a long ginger-coloured mustache that curled at the ends. [Star, 10 Sep].

I've wondered if there was a connection between Blotchy and John Cleary, the man who visits the Herald's London office in 1889. I remember that man being described as having a boil on his face

barnflatwyngarde 11-27-2017 09:01 AM

Chava,
Like you, I regard Blotchy as the prime suspect in Mary Kelly's murder, and probably the other canonical victims.

I posted a query on these boards asking "How Drunk Was Mary?" (link below)

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8411

It was my first post to the boards, and in retrospect I asked the wrong question.
I was coming from the position of, why would Mary go out again after her assignation with Blotchy?

She was pretty drunk and was going to drink some more, courtesy of Blotchy's "pot of ale".

The weather was drizzly and the chance of getting another paid customer at 2.00am was remote.

So why on earth would she venture out?

As you can probably guess, I dismiss Hutchinson's testimony that he saw Kelly in the early hours.
I don't know exactly the truth of Hutchinson's testimony, he may have lied in order to scrounge a few meals off the Police as he was escorted round Whitechapel looking for Astrakhan man, or it may be that he simply got his dates mixed up.

If we could give Blotchy a name, I think that we would have several books written about this intriguing individual.

I think Blotchy was Jack the Ripper.
A sad, broad shouldered little man with a fondness for ale and murder.

Abby Normal 11-27-2017 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barnflatwyngarde (Post 435916)
Chava,
Like you, I regard Blotchy as the prime suspect in Mary Kelly's murder, and probably the other canonical victims.

I posted a query on these boards asking "How Drunk Was Mary?" (link below)

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8411

It was my first post to the boards, and in retrospect I asked the wrong question.
I was coming from the position of, why would Mary go out again after her assignation with Blotchy?

She was pretty drunk and was going to drink some more, courtesy of Blotchy's "pot of ale".

The weather was drizzly and the chance of getting another paid customer at 2.00am was remote.

So why on earth would she venture out?

As you can probably guess, I dismiss Hutchinson's testimony that he saw Kelly in the early hours.
I don't know exactly the truth of Hutchinson's testimony, he may have lied in order to scrounge a few meals off the Police as he was escorted round Whitechapel looking for Astrakhan man, or it may be that he simply got his dates mixed up.

If we could give Blotchy a name, I think that we would have several books written about this intriguing individual.

I think Blotchy was Jack the Ripper.
A sad, broad shouldered little man with a fondness for ale and murder.

Hi Barn
good post and I agree.
Re mary not going out again-I also agree with this. she was in no shape to be headed out again. I doubt Hutch saw her that night too. I think he did know her and went to her place maybe looking for a place to crash (or a hook up) and saw/heard she was already preoccupied, waited around for a while to see if her guest left and then left.

and then made up the aman story to profit from somehow.

Elamarna 11-27-2017 10:39 AM

Hi all,
I think there is a good chance that blotchy at least killed Kelly. He is really just a variation on unknown local. And he would be on my top list of possible but for there appears to be no way to id him.

The shame is the description is not great and for many of the suspects proven images are rare if they exist at all, and often from the wrong period in the suspects life.

Steve

Chava 11-27-2017 10:41 AM

She was found in her nightgown. Either she went to bed alone and her killer broke in or she intended to stay the night with whomever brought her home. Sounds like she was roaring drunk so I agree with you guys, she was in no condition to go out again. I think she thought Mr Blotchy was her replacement for the recently-departed Joe Barnett, whom she also moved in with the day she met him.

Also, how useful would that ale-pail be if you wanted to cart off a couple of bits & bobs from a murder scene, and Blotchy, according to Mary Ann Cox, was wearing a long dark loose coat which could cover a lot. I think he came prepared that night and other nights.


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