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Abby Normal 08-14-2018 05:27 AM

Was the ripper and also the torsomans crimes totally non sexual in nature?
 
There has been some recent ideas bandied about on the torso thread and elsewhere that perhaps the ripper and torso crimes (moreso on the torso crimes) may have been totally non sexual in nature. As in the motive was more akin to a crazy doctor type scenario-morbid curiosity, experimentation type thing.

Or perhaps just anger, revenge, dehumanizing the victims?

What are folks thoughts in this?

Fisherman 08-14-2018 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Abby Normal (Post 454296)
There has been some recent ideas bandied about on the torso thread and elsewhere that perhaps the ripper and torso crimes (moreso on the torso crimes) may have been totally non sexual in nature. As in the motive was more akin to a crazy doctor type scenario-morbid curiosity, experimentation type thing.

Or perhaps just anger, revenge, dehumanizing the victims?

What are folks thoughts in this?

I think they were sex crimes, but the only aspect that interested the killer was total control, owning the bodies, being at liberty to do whatever he wanted to with them.

A wish for control is very often the force behind sexual serial killings.

Abby Normal 08-14-2018 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fisherman (Post 454300)
I think they were sex crimes, but the only aspect that interested the killer was total control, owning the bodies, being at liberty to do whatever he wanted to with them.

A wish for control is very often the force behind sexual serial killings.

Hi Fish
Thanks! Do you think there was any overt sexual nature to either though? As in the killer "got off" sexually in any way? and if so-how and when?

Herlock Sholmes 08-14-2018 01:31 PM

Iím unsure how certain we can be Abby. Iíve always suspected that they were though, with control being a strong element as Fish said. I donít think that we can rule out simple hatred of women in general or prostitutes specifically though. The Ripper or TK (or both - or TorsoRipper [yes, I doubt but also admit the possibility]) might have been on a mission to rid the streets of sin (sounds a bit melodramatic I admit, but itís possible.)
The attacking of the genital and womb areas might point to a sexual motive or to someone that sees those Ďregionsí as the cause of problems. Even the staging of the women, skirts lifted legs spread, might point at sexual or they could be just the killer saying ďlook at the reward for sinĒ or something like it.
In short I donít know how we can tip the balance of likelihoodís either way? Many psychologists and profilers have looked at the case though, is there rough % view either way?

Herlock Sholmes 08-14-2018 01:38 PM

I would say though that the motive is possibly (and Iíll only go that far) more difficult to define in TKís murders. I only suggest this because we know that all of the rippers victims were prostitutes but I donít think thatís certain in Torsoís case unless Iím mistaken of course. Then thereís the display element which gives at least the appearance of sexual Ďevents.í Iím still on the fence to some extent though.

Abby Normal 08-14-2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Herlock Sholmes (Post 454335)
I would say though that the motive is possibly (and Iíll only go that far) more difficult to define in TKís murders. I only suggest this because we know that all of the rippers victims were prostitutes but I donít think thatís certain in Torsoís case unless Iím mistaken of course. Then thereís the display element which gives at least the appearance of sexual Ďevents.í Iím still on the fence to some extent though.

Hi herlock
Some possibles for non sexual motive:

Religious zealot killing unclean sinning women
Crazy doctor type experimenting
Pissed off syphiless loser exacting revenge

c.d. 08-14-2018 03:36 PM

As has been stated, our idea of what constitutes sexual or non-sexual could very well differ from the killer's perspective.

c.d.

Yabs 08-14-2018 04:20 PM

My opinion...

The choice of victim.
Prostitution aside, The thing they also had in common with each other was being hopelessly drunk and reckless.
This is what made them easy pickings.

Depending on the motive, the killings were possibly sexual due to the intensity of the act.
They wouldnít be despatched in that way if not for ritual, gain or gratification.
If you kill another human in that way for pleasure then itís sexual, itís just in a manor that right minded people canít comprehend.

Herlock Sholmes 08-14-2018 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Abby Normal (Post 454340)
Hi herlock
Some possibles for non sexual motive:

Religious zealot killing unclean sinning women
Crazy doctor type experimenting
Pissed off syphiless loser exacting revenge

They all sound like plots for a new Ripper movie but I think that theyíre all possibles.

Maybe someone who found out that his beloved mother was a prostitute or had an affair.

Sam Flynn 08-14-2018 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Herlock Sholmes (Post 454335)
Then thereís the display element which gives at least the appearance of sexual Ďevents.í

Not so in the Torso cases. If the perpetrator(s) of those intended a sexual display, they'd have kept the legs on and spread them apart.


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