Did Steve Wright get a fair trial in Ipswich?

[jsi2010]

jsi2010.................did it not occur to you somewhere during the length of time it would take to view a series of events..i.e...a man posing what you clearly saw as a deceased human being..viewing what you for some strange reason thought was a covered up dummy but must have realised instantly was another deceased human body.....NOT TO PICK UP A PHONE AND DIAL 999...especially as there was a road block with police a short distance away?
Crazy..of course you would..many phones even have cameras nowadays.
Even if you didn't have a phone at the time,anyone would approach the police a.s.a.p..you have the car colour description of the man,location of the body...
So,for that reason...I'm afraid I don't believe one word of what you post.

Noel O'Gara...Steve Wright was a violent man..read up on what's reported about him on the net...he even fergot he was in company at his home his temper snapped and he went to strangle his wife.Read that in the words of the people present at the time.
As for Peter Sutcliffe not being the Yorkshire Ripper..and not acting alone. I'm afraid that is 100% wrong,but I suppose if you had no experience of what he was actually like at the time he was murdering,and had drawn your own conclusions from what you have read,you might possibly be able to be mistaken.

You do not believe me Anna ! Oh well I will just forget all about it and go away then, thank you for your incorrect and judgemental opinion.
Good lord do not any you of read a post properly ? What you state I say happened did not happen at all, so PLEASE before you post inaccurate replies PLEASE get your facts straight there's a dear, maybe you should have gone to specsavers lol bless ya !
IT seems that people read something then react on the spur without digesting what has been said. This is where quotes miss quotes occur and cause confusion. Believe ! Dont believe, I know what I saw period.............. Regards jsi

[anna]

jsi2010.................did it not occur to you somewhere during the length of time it would take to view a series of events..i.e...a man posing what you clearly saw as a deceased human being..viewing what you for some strange reason thought was a covered up dummy but must have realised instantly was another deceased human body.....NOT TO PICK UP A PHONE AND DIAL 999...especially as there was a road block with police a short distance away?
Crazy..of course you would..many phones even have cameras nowadays.
Even if you didn't have a phone at the time,anyone would approach the police a.s.a.p..you have the car colour description of the man,location of the body...
So,for that reason...I'm afraid I don't believe one word of what you post.

Noel O'Gara...Steve Wright was a violent man..read up on what's reported about him on the net...he even fergot he was in company at his home his temper snapped and he went to strangle his wife.Read that in the words of the people present at the time.
As for Peter Sutcliffe not being the Yorkshire Ripper..and not acting alone. I'm afraid that is 100% wrong,but I suppose if you had no experience of what he was actually like at the time he was murdering,and had drawn your own conclusions from what you have read,you might possibly be able to be mistaken.

[noel o'gara]

When the police arrested TS was actually charged with anything ie a holding charge or was he just helping with their enquieries?

He was at the centre of everything in this case and the police had him under close observation since the last two bodies were found. He had been on the phone to the police several times, had been badgering Tania's mother after her disappearance, had been putting himself about with the other prostitutes and was sitting out watching the action night after night.
He was arrested on suspicion of all five murders and would in all probability have been charged had he not turned the tables on the police by telling them that in his role as the protector of the girls he had observed the last three victims going into 79 London Road but didnt wait around and see them coming out because he thought they were safe in a house.
He was also able to tell them that he noticed that Gemma was picked up by a dark Ford Mondeo car when he last saw her drive away and of course he thought that Tania got into a similar car the night she disappeared.
Then he probably burst into tears and fell on the floor wailing at how he had failed to protect his girls as he watched the fuzz go on the buzz.

[dannymc]

When the police arrested TS was actually charged with anything ie a holding charge or was he just helping with their enquieries?

[noel o'gara]

[QUOTE=jsi2010;156509]

I am not discounting the link between artwork and victim i am asking if TS went to such elaboratre lengths to distance himself from said vics why pose them like a rare picture that he owns?[/QUOTE

Personally I believe at that point TS had just lost the plot and thought that he could get away with anything. He had courted the media, he played the same game eninem played with the leader of the gang rapper in the battle of the movie 8mile high. In other words he fired all the self damaging amunition he had at the enemy and in doing so neutralised it, so no one had anything left to accuse him of as he had already admitted it. Watch the movie and you'll see what I mean lol.
I also believe that at that point he maybe felt he was far smarter than the police and became more brazen.
for example : I claim that I saw him at 1.50pm on december 11th 2006 most likely in the act of disposing two bodies. Anette I saw on the ground and I say Paula was covered up on the rear seat of his car. So to do this is extremely risky while the police have a road block less the 1/4 mile around thye corner at Nacton crossroads.
Also I believe he could possibly have thought he would be caught eventually and it would added to the notoriety and maybe even wanted to be caught. As he claimed he had 2 personalities did he not ! That one was doing things he might not of known about, it was well documented at the time !
I would still like to hear your thesis on this area of the case though please danny.... Regards jsi

Perhaps this quotation from honest Tom demonstrates his control of the situation. He knew he could turn the tables of the police and divert them to Steve Wright, the man that he alone knew had been the last sex customer with the last four victims in the order in which they were killed.

He continued: "But I know I am innocent and I am certain it won't go as far as me being charged. I am completely confident of that.”

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/arrested_man_i_m_innocent_1_78687

He knew that he had Wright in a trap and was only waiting for a chance to spring that trap. Such confidence could only come from a dangerous evil killer who had experience of murder.

It is a fact that the police were sure Stephens was responsible for all five murders until he put them on to Steve Wright.
Such confidence only comes with experience of crime and as a cop.

[jsi2010]

Oh for god's sake. The image is NOT rare. Any piece of art that you can find reproduced on mouse pads and coffee mugs can hardly be considered rare!

Ok extremely unusual to say the least and a niche market, hardly Wrights taste i'd say ! Is Dannymc wrong too now then ?
We all saw the inside of 79 London Road on the programme Pam Wright did I dont recall seeing that image on the walls there did you ? It certainly would'nt of fitted in with the decor would you not agree ?

Ok ally please give me your theory on why 2 girls were posed in this way and the reasoning behind it and why you discount the link between TS... Regards jsi

[Ally]

Oh for god's sake. The image is NOT rare. Any piece of art that you can find reproduced on mouse pads and coffee mugs can hardly be considered rare!

[jsi2010]

I am not discounting the link between artwork and victim i am asking if TS went to such elaboratre lengths to distance himself from said vics why pose them like a rare picture that he owns?

Thank you for pointing out that the art is is RARE dannymc very good point ! So to speculate ! It would be a wonder indeed if both suspects knew of or even owned a copy of this rare art work would it not ? coincidence ? a very rare one to say the least say I !..... Now we have got past all the rubbbish maybe we can actually debate, If anyone here doubts me and my words well ? Debate convince me of your point of view in an adult fashion as opposed to childish tantrum name calling please !......... dannymc has the chair !...... Regards jsi

[jsi2010]

[QUOTE=dannymc;156499]I am not discounting the link between artwork and victim i am asking if TS went to such elaboratre lengths to distance himself from said vics why pose them like a rare picture that he owns?[/QUOTE

Personally I believe at that point TS had just lost the plot and thought that he could get away with anything. He had courted the media, he played the same game eninem played with the leader of the gang rapper in the battle of the movie 8mile high. In other words he fired all the self damaging amunition he had at the enemy and in doing so neutralised it, so no one had anything left to accuse him of as he had already admitted it. Watch the movie and you'll see what I mean lol.
I also believe that at that point he maybe felt he was far smarter than the police and became more brazen.
for example : I claim that I saw him at 1.50pm on december 11th 2006 most likely in the act of disposing two bodies. Anette I saw on the ground and I say Paula was covered up on the rear seat of his car. So to do this is extremely risky while the police have a road block less the 1/4 mile around thye corner at Nacton crossroads.
Also I believe he could possibly have thought he would be caught eventually and it would added to the notoriety and maybe even wanted to be caught. As he claimed he had 2 personalities did he not ! That one was doing things he might not of known about, it was well documented at the time !
I would still like to hear your thesis on this area of the case though please danny.... Regards jsi

[dannymc]

I am not discounting the link between artwork and victim i am asking if TS went to such elaboratre lengths to distance himself from said vics why pose them like a rare picture that he owns?

[jsi2010]

Well of course it doesn't make sense, but who needs to make sense when you can make up a great conspiracy instead! That's much more fun than boring dry old facts.

Indeed ally indeed

[jsi2010]

Why then Mr Ogara would TS then pose the bodies when there is the chance that that could lead the police right back to him because of the painting that doesnt make sense.

The truth is nobody will ever know that unless the person who posed them discloses why ! but none the less the fact does remain that 2 girls were posed in this fashion and Tom Stephens did have an art work of said pose on his wall.....
Ok just for fun please give me your theory as to these 2 girls being posed in such a way ie ;
1. why do you think Steve Wright did this, the reasons behind such a deliberate action ?
2. why you so easilly discount the factual connection between the art work, the 2 girl poses and TS ?
I look forward to reading your reply

[Ally]

Well of course it doesn't make sense, but who needs to make sense when you can make up a great conspiracy instead! That's much more fun than boring dry old facts.

[dannymc]

Why then Mr Ogara would TS then pose the bodies when there is the chance that that could lead the police right back to him because of the painting that doesnt make sense.

[noel o'gara]

Hi Noel,

With two strong suspects to eliminate, the police would have been acutely aware of the need to proceed even more cautiously, since one or both could have known the victims ‘innocently’, but one or both could equally have been as guilty as sin.



I’m struggling with the suggestion that your suspect deliberately destroyed any forensic evidence that would otherwise have incriminated him, while knowingly leaving Wright’s DNA all over one of the victims. How does that work? And if it did work, how is anyone meant to know it ever happened, never mind prove it? Take your word for it? Only a full and credible confession, detailing the disposal of the bodies, would surely be enough to take any of this seriously.



It seems that amateur detectives on internet message boards are so keen to see miscarriages of justice everywhere that they are prepared to add more of their own creation.

Caz
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You have the police dilemma there Caz. Two strong suspects, only one killer. Honest Tom had already ensured that there was an odds on chance that Tania would be linked to the other four killings by upping the numbers. The escalation in numbers was done to muddy the waters on her case so as to slip it in with the other four.
Honest Tom had Wright in the gun for those four and he helped the police to prove that Wright had them in the order and on the night they were last seen.
Next day when the DNA confirmed it, Wright was charged and Tom was released. After that they started to study the real evidence to build the case against Wright and they were grasping at straws and relying on DNA which only proved he had sex with them as he stated. They found microscopic traces of blood and a fibre from his car in Tania's hair.
Wright, a serial sex addict with no record of violence knew all the victims as an innocent customer.
Honest Tom, an ex cop with a record of violence against women knew them as lovers, girlfriends, drug customers, vulnerable girls. He had no alibi. He set up a false alibi on one occasion. His DNA was on all five victims. He was the number one suspect for the murders, was twice arrested until he diverted the police over to Wright.

Do you know of any murder case where the police made a mistake and had to reverse that?

You say you were struggling with the evidence.
Caz. the facts are that the killer dumped Tania and Gemma naked in the river to destroy all forensic evidence.

Wright took subsequent victims into his house, kept his yellow jacket and semen stained gloves, car mats etc etc. He only hid evidence of sex from his wife.
The killer dumped the next three victims naked for a reason. To hide fibre evidence connected to his car or person or house, that would be on their clothes.
Honest Tom was able to brag on newspapers that his DNA was on all five girls while Wright was charged with murder when the police proved his DNA was on three victims. Why are you not struggling with that?

You are the amatuer detective Caz and this is the first time I put my story on casebook. That was done because I thought you guys should have a better grasp of crime stories than the ordinary man in the street.
I have put the facts together in this case having lived in the shadow of the real Yorkshire Ripper for thirty odd years. Seems like some of you are more comfortable studying the Victorian ripper in the safety of your armchairs. Real killers are out there also today Caz and it is a common reaction of all victims of crime that they just cant believe it is happening to them at the time.