Sweeney Todd?

[Sam Flynn]

Sam--

With all due respect, your post does read like it came from somewhere else. A nod to your sources, Wikipedia or otherwise, might have dispelled any doubt.

Kelly, I find your support for Dan most creditable, but his clever-clogs attack on me was frankly mean-spirited. (In actual fact, I had thought of nodding to my sources, but thought it might sound pompous.) Besides, I gave you my understanding of what I've learned, and in entirely my own words - in contradistinction to some of the more flagrant cutters and pasters that have plagued this site on occasion in the past. I like writing, I try to write well, and I like to add value wherever I can. It's too bad when such good intentions are sniped at.

This is a message board, not a reference book, after all, and if we were to cross-refer to every source of info we have, be it on the Ripper case or otherwise, these boards would be somewhat tedious to navigate.

Best wishes.

[Ally]

Stan,

Yes but not on this thread so far.

All,

If someone presents facts that are readily available in a number of sources, I don't think a "source" is needed. None of what Sam wrote was limited to any one source but are generalized facts. If he had presented any of the "unique" bits from the Mack book, then a source might have been required, but he didn't.

[Suzi]

AP's always with us..........like the poor!!!

(Blessim)

[sdreid]

Is AP back?

[Kelly]

Sam--

With all due respect, your post does read like it came from somewhere else. A nod to your sources, Wikipedia or otherwise, might have dispelled any doubt.

[Suzi]

Well said Sir/Sam!!!!

To be honest the Wiki-Wanderings are always to be taken with a Large amout of Salt I say and as I say(again!)........ as to 'Lifting'....leave that to the Sudbury professionals!!!!!! Hmmmmm

AND always remember..Amateurs plagerise..Professionals steal!!!!!!
Well with ONE memorable exception!!!!!!.......

Didn't the exception prove the rule????


Suz x

[Sam Flynn]

Oh, well, apologies if I suggested in any way that you presented the thoughts in a Wikipedia article as if they were your own. I'm relieved to know you were merely lifting the content of a book without giving proper credit. Now that that's cleared up...

I wasn't "lifting the content of a book", thank you very much. Those words are entirely my own, and more than one source was involved. It wasn't a badly written summary either, even if I say so myself - is that what sticks in your craw, after your "plagiarising from Wikipedia" gambit was revealed as a damp squib?

[Dan Norder]

Oh, well, apologies if I suggested in any way that you presented the thoughts in a Wikipedia article as if they were your own. I'm relieved to know you were merely lifting the content of a book without giving proper credit. Now that that's cleared up...

[Sam Flynn]

Incidentally, Sam, did you happen write the Wikipedia article on the topic?

No, Dan - the post above was entirely my own, after recently reading "The Wonderful and Surprising History of Sweeney Todd", by Robert Mack - a book I can recommend, despite its dire want of better proof reading. Some other doodlings of my own were also included for good measure. I've not read, still less written, the Wikipedia entry.

[Suzi]

Incidentally, Sam, did you happen write the Wikipedia article on the topic? I couldn't help but notice the major similarities between your long post above and my recollection of the highlights of the article on Sweeney Todd as I read it there several weeks back.

Gareth ........you DIDN'T did you???

[Dan Norder]

Incidentally, Sam, did you happen write the Wikipedia article on the topic? I couldn't help but notice the major similarities between your long post above and my recollection of the highlights of the article on Sweeney Todd as I read it there several weeks back.

[Suzi]

I must admit 'I 'ate you Butler' did spring to mind too!!!!!!
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
Yep I found that link too Gareth...

Stan......And yes the Gein link is a possibility...........well not with Reg Varney..........but there again!!

[Suzi]

Tantalised by Varney.... I've found these wonders!!!! (below) and also if you Google Varney the Vampire there's a link that enables you to download the whole novel for FREE!!!! (Note to self......wait till you're back at work tomorrow!!!)
Of course in this one you can see that the bed's been turned around........and pulled away from the wall/partition!!)

Don't remember the painting looking quite like that.......Shades of Ruddigore here!!!!

Now Gimme mi pinny back or I'll do for ya!!!...little known quote/sketch from Mitre Square!

GORGEOUS cover!!!!

Even better!!!!..MUST download!!!!
LOL Suz x

[sdreid]

Yes, the Sawney Beane case is where some think the idea came from. The name does sound a little like a corruption of that but there are some questions about that case as well. It's possibly like Ed Gein and Psycho.

[Sam Flynn]

LOVE the idea of Varney the Vampire!!!

I have this vision of him attacking passengers on his double-decker bus

There's an e-text of "Varney the Vampire" here:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14833/14833.txt

NB: the attribution to Thomas Prest is disputed.