Ipswich Prostitute Murders

[Limehouse]

Well, in law he has the right to appeal, so we can't deny him that but in reality the man should be locked up for the rest of his life to atone for the lives he ended.

[DarkPassenger]

Wait for the Human Right case against the whole life tariff.

"It is the order of this court that we wouldn't hear an appeal from you, Mr Wright, if you bore the second coming of Christ in your cell you sick bastard."

[Mike Covell]

Just when you thought it was safe to walk the streets at night, look who has put in an appeal,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/7305470.stm

[Limehouse]

I read the fred and Rose book and it sickened me to the core. Likewise, the Rillington Place murders had a similar effect. In the case of Rillington Place, the total seediness and squalor of the house overpowered me. Add to that Christie and his sinister crimes and you have absolute horror. I think there is something very powerfully disturbing about family homes that become tombs and, as you have pointed out, the very private nature of some of these killers make them even more horror-inducing.

[DarkPassenger]

I find it hard to see things from you point of view, Mike, actually!

Maybe it's just my personal ways of thinking, which is not usually the same as everyone elses, but I can understand how and why the Wests did it. I have that book, actually!
Sex is a hunger that can distort the mind.

[Mike Covell]

I have read several books on the West's and one of them, (I think it's just called "Fred and Rose") made me feel so sick, angry and helpless.
Especially when it mentions

"After Rose had sex, they would take the lovers condom off and shove up their daughters private parts!"

Words cannot describe these people.

[DarkPassenger]

I think an institutionalized atmosphere can create power-complexes which can become dangerously out of proportion, and can generate hugely out of perspective morality in such a closed and conditioned environment.

For example, when caught, the perpetrators of the care home murder/s will no doubt have little real regret - at the time, it was appropriate action to "punish" the children. This hothouse of power can create incredible personalities - Nilsen, being such a private man, created this same out of perspective world for himself, which allowed him to mentally take the horror of dismemberment, for example. Christie is another, and the Wests yet another.

[Mike Covell]

It is pretty scary to think there are so many at large, and what a year for them, what do you think of this Childrens Home scandal and the discovery of human bones?

Take Care

[DarkPassenger]

I owe this to David Wilson, who I was slagging off until I actually read his book...

Now I know why he's the country's top serial killer expert, even if he accounts for only 20 serial killers since 1960, and underestimates the number of victims.

[Limehouse]

That's a really interesting slant on the topic of seriel murder Dark Passage. Your theory fits most seriel killers - especially Dennis Nielsson, who murdered many of life's drifters who he found wandering London's streets. It does not, of course, fit Shipman, who is believed to be a sex killer.

[DarkPassenger]

Dixie does not qualify for a whole life tariff, actually, I checked this out.

Prostitutes are part of the socially excluded "left behind" masses who have been rejected by the ever-consumerist society that simply fogets about those who can't compete socially or economically.

Serial killers emerge from similar circumstances, as all serial killers tend to be working class, especially sex killers.

In future, serial killers will target immigrants, single mothers, binge drinkers, and youths who party hard in dire nightclub metropolises like Newcastle-upon-Tyne. An example of a serial killer who began targeting modern-day "left behinders" is Steven Grieveson, the Sunderland Strangler. He murdered young men with drug problems by mixing in their social circles. Interestingly, Grieveson murdered because he wanted to conceal his gay secret - he too was being left behind.

Prostitutes are vunerable, forced into their situation by the demands of society, and serial killers naturally target the "lower orders."

Anna, also remember that boys under one make up the largest group of males who are murdered, and that these murders are overwhelmingly, disproportionately committed by women - most of the time, mothers. Infanticide is a mother's business.

Do your research before making hot-headed statements.

[Limehouse]

I totally agree, he is a victim of his crotch and his own stupidity....and I also agree that he the choice of what he chooses to spend his money on in this situation...but there is also enticement to take into consideration.....and respect for the hand that feeds them.The ordinary chap in the street is most often the client and as creatures that think in black and white, these women can run rings around them,and pursuasion to go further and spend more not too difficult!The important word being pursuasion,not force.But this is going away from the point of my original post,which is to do with attitude, and not circumstance...

I think you are doing men a disservice here Anna. You seem to be implying that men are weak-minded slaves to their primal feelings and that these women are exploiting their weakness. It sounds a bit Adam and Eve to me.

Secondly, if men are so vulnerable and prostitutes so strong and wilful, why have prostitutes been so easy to murder for so long? if you look at the profile of the women Wright killed and compare them with the Ripper's victims there are tragic similarities. The women were driven to life on the streets by addiction (to drink/and/or drugs) and would not have been there at all but for this.

Finally, these types of murder (and indeed sex crimes such as rape) are about violence and power. The men seem to justify their actions by playing on society's attitude to women who sell sex but in fact these crimes are about the need to be violent and sadistic.

Incidently, I wonder why Dixie did not get a whole life tarrif? He is at least ten years younger than Wright and his crimes were equally violent and evil - if no more so.

[DarkPassenger]

By the way, how many years did the guy get who was a chef and murdered the model girl? I missed that part of the news,as my doggie needed feeding.

34 years. Then he'll probably end up with another 100 to serve after that if guilty of the Claremont murders.

[detective abberline]

The Gatton Murders

Hi. Gatton is the next main stop for the rail line out of Brisbane through Ipswich so I'll use this as my entree. The Gatton Murders Boxing Day 1898. 3 siblings murdered (and their horse shot through the head) in a paddock outside Gatton QLD. MIchael Clarke shot through the head. His sisters Norah and Ellen raped multiple times and beaten or strangled to death.

This was and to an extent still is a small rural community. Suspects all over the place but no-one ever charged. Last member of the family, the very youngest sister, died in 1973.

Not as well known as JTR (certainly has no websites) but 10 years after Jack evil things were happening around the world. It is a fascinating mystery.

Cheers

[Mike Covell]

A quick trawl through the tabloids homepage reveals this,

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-20328448/

Looks like Wright is gonna do a Fred West!!!