Chinese Ripper arrested

[Fisherman]

With no particular bearing on anything...Ted Bundy did apparently...allegedly...father a child.

She was conceived in the visiting area of death row, according to one story (although I find that incredibly hard to believe). I don't really know what to make of the whole thing, but there are certainly some pictures of a very happy looking post-incarceration Bundy with his 'wife' and a small child who looks very like him.

Stranger than fiction.....

Letīs hope she is not named Carol...

[MsWeatherwax]

With no particular bearing on anything...Ted Bundy did apparently...allegedly...father a child.

She was conceived in the visiting area of death row, according to one story (although I find that incredibly hard to believe). I don't really know what to make of the whole thing, but there are certainly some pictures of a very happy looking post-incarceration Bundy with his 'wife' and a small child who looks very like him.

Stranger than fiction.....

[John Wheat]

Yes, I can imagine so.

The article was enlightening and very sad, too. I couldn't help thinking that the serial killer throughout history has focused on vulnerable people as his (usually his, sometimes hers) victims. Whether by age, gender, class, living conditions or occupation, the people who are considered "expendable" will be attractive to the murderer who kills for his own desires.

Yes Pcdunn serial killers tend to target those who will not be missed by many so that are less likely to be caught. Also they tend to pick easy targets such as prostitutes working the streets at night on there own.

Cheers John

[Fisherman]

Spat all over my computer when I read that.

Did you now? Why was that? And howīs your computer?

[Pcdunn]

Oh, the irony...

Spat all over my computer when I read that.

Yes, I can imagine so.

The article was enlightening and very sad, too. I couldn't help thinking that the serial killer throughout history has focused on vulnerable people as his (usually his, sometimes hers) victims. Whether by age, gender, class, living conditions or occupation, the people who are considered "expendable" will be attractive to the murderer who kills for his own desires.

[GUT]

So, a LAPD policeman thinks the Grim Sleeper kept killing.

Somehow, I would prefer evidence to speculations. And I am quite convinced that there are scores of serialists who stopped killing - and who were never caught.

Spat all over my computer when I read that.

[Fisherman]

The age-old problem is that we have only the behaviour of the ones who got caught to use as a baseline, and without at least some comparative data on undetected serial killers, we have no conclusive way to say how representative the behaviour of captured serial killers is compared to the pool of all serial killers.

On my more cynical days, I expect some sociologist to propose amnesty for murderers so they don't exist "out of sight", and can be properly studied.

A great idea - you should be jailed for it and given the Nobel prize simultaneously.
It is a very good point you make, nevertheless - what we have on record are caught serialists. And they are normally at it as they are caught. Very few are caught many years after the deeds, but there IS the odd exception, as the BTK killer and this Chinese man.
How many serialists stay uncaught for every serialist who IS caught? One? Two? More? I really donīt know, but I guess that somebody does know, or has an educated guess. Any which way, I am very sure that a very significant number of the uncaught serialists actually do stop killing. Old age, sexuality tapering off, the thrill going away, substitutions found - there can reasonably be numerous reasons for serialists calling it a day.

[Fisherman]

One does one's best.

We should never ask for more.

[Harry D]

Good job, Harry - you are catching on!

One does one's best.

[Ginger]

The age-old problem is that we have only the behaviour of the ones who got caught to use as a baseline, and without at least some comparative data on undetected serial killers, we have no conclusive way to say how representative the behaviour of captured serial killers is compared to the pool of all serial killers.

On my more cynical days, I expect some sociologist to propose amnesty for murderers so they don't exist "out of sight", and can be properly studied.

[Fisherman]

It's impossible to make behavioural comparisons between known serial killers and the 'Ripper' for the simple reasons that a) the Ripper was never caught, and b) we don't know if there even was a serial killer.

Good job, Harry - you are catching on!

[Fisherman]

So, with one sweep you completely dismiss all of the circumstantial evidence that Franklin murdered possibly 11 more women during his so-called 'sleeping' period, some of said evidence was allowed to be presented during his sentencing hearing, yet believe you have enough circumstantial evidence to accuse Lech of killing all of the Ripper's victims plus the Torso murders. You're a master detective, Fish. It's a loss to humanity that you didn't choose a career in law enforcement.

JM

How can I dismiss any evidence at all? I am not that familiar with the case. But I do know that the moniker the Grim Sleeper was given since there was a parceived gap in the killings. And I do know that other killers have had such gaps too. And - as I said - I am certain that a number of the undisclosed serialists simply stopped killing.
Whether I am a master detective or not is as written in the stars. I think I have a pretty solid case against Lechmere as well as for the two series being the work of one man only. And as far as I can tell, I am entitled to that stance.
And of course, you are entitled to scorn and laugh and make a fool of yourself over it.
Reasonably, one of us is being productive.

[Harry D]

Hi Harry
Bundy didn't have kids but he had Normal female relationships-and definitely had a "double life".His first documented murder was in 1974, but he admitted to murders and attempted kidnappings as early as 1969 and many believe he committed his first murder of a young girl in 1961.

And yes Rader is another example of a family man killer who spans decades and can wait long periods of time in between killings. and use different MO also.

as is Ridgeway. the list goes on.

I guess I don't really understand your point then. The ripper and torso man cases are unsolved-they could have been the same man. So I'm giving you examples of serial killers who are similar if they were.

and the Chinese ripper is yet another example.

It's impossible to make behavioural comparisons between known serial killers and the 'Ripper' for the simple reasons that a) the Ripper was never caught, and b) we don't know if there even was a serial killer.

[jmenges]

So, a LAPD policeman thinks the Grim Sleeper kept killing.

Somehow, I would prefer evidence to speculations.

So, with one sweep you completely dismiss all of the circumstantial evidence that Franklin murdered possibly 11 more women during his so-called 'sleeping' period, some of said evidence was allowed to be presented during his sentencing hearing, yet believe you have enough circumstantial evidence to accuse Lech of killing all of the Ripper's victims plus the Torso murders. You're a master detective, Fish. It's a loss to humanity that you didn't choose a career in law enforcement.

JM

[Fisherman]

Los Angeles Times May 8, 2016

LAPD believes 'Grim Sleeper' serial killer never actually slept

"Authorities believe the Grim Sleeper never really slept, and that Thomas' slaying in 2000 helps prove that.

"I don't think he stopped killing," said LAPD Det. Daryn Dupree, the last remaining detective who worked on the task force that arrested Franklin.

In all, investigators believe Franklin is responsible for at least 25 slayings, including 11 that took place during the supposed dormant period that led to his sobriquet."

http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-grim-sleeper-victims-20160508-story.html

JM

So, a LAPD policeman thinks the Grim Sleeper kept killing.

Somehow, I would prefer evidence to speculations. And I am quite convinced that there are scores of serialists who stopped killing - and who were never caught.