Private sale

[Fisherman]

Hereīs a link to Youtube. Itīs a film showing a pro tying a Jock Scott, a fly with which Swanson would have been very familiar. Have a look at the film, and then tell me that it seems the ideal pastime for a Parkinson patient with hand tremor ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B3gebIayRw

The best,
Fisherman

[Sally]

Nah, that was the title of the thread Neil - the true subject is altogether different.

[Monty]

The true subject of this thread went around post 5.

If the sale was indeed the true subject, or just a ruse for self bloated opinions.

Monty

[Fisherman]

I think some people may be mistaking threading a hook with fly tying, the act of making a hook resemble various insects

Fly tying does not necessarily require a steady hand and is a relaxing and rewarding hobby for fly fisherman, which I can imagine Donald Swanson pottering over in his shed

Nemo, I donīt know whether you are a fisherman yourself or not. I am, however. And Iīve tied many a fly in my life, but I do so no longer, since I find it increasingly difficult due to lacking eyesight - and, thankfully, due to one of my sons being a very skilled fly-tier (I pay the material, he ties the flies and catches the fish eight times out of ten).

Swanson was a salmon fisherman. Have you seen the patterns of the late 19:th century salmon flies? They are very, very intricate patterns and they are considered the real test for a fly-tiers skills up to this day.

Of course, one can tie good flies and one can tie bad flies. But tying even a very bad Jock Scott for a man with PD and shaky hands would border on the impossible. It involves trimming and tying lots and lots of material and performing whiplashfinish knots and so on, laquering etcetera. And the number one requirement for being able to do this would be nothing but a steady hand.

All the best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Unless they are in YOUR house and then you don't hold them equal, you hold yours above as you acknowledge you have the right to eject them if you find their ideas and thoughts offensive. Once again, when it's YOUR personal property, your ideas have priority and that's perfectly acceptable to you. When you are in someone else's personal property, you still seem to think your opinions should have if not priority, an equal status, and other property owner's aren't allowed the same privilege you admit you hold.




And once again, no one except you has said anything about my having "the upper hand". The discussion is about stopping a discussion on my private property or the right to eject those as seen fit. You are the only one who is discussing "upper hand" whatever the hell that means in terms of this discussion, and that was not the premise under discussion.

What was under discussion is whether the property owner has the right to close the door on a discussion. You grant that privilege to yourself, while stating it's morally questionable for others to have the same right.




You aren't on equal terms in any respect. Any more than I have equal terms in your house. Nobody has "equal terms" in someone else's establishment.




Unless once again, it's in your house, and you are the one doing the ejecting. You reserve the right in your own property that you don't grant to others.

Once again, you are elevating YOUR personal property rights above those of mine.



Nobody who owns a business owes their customers anything. If they want to close their doors on a whim, they can. If they want to sell only blue shag rug on a whim, they can. If they want to ban the color blue on a whim, they can. If they want to say donkey caps must be worn to get service on Tuesdays, purely on a whim, they can.

A business can decide on a whim anything they want in regards to their business. It is THEIRS. They don't owe you anything.

Well, Ally, I said from the outset that you would probably not be able to understand my line of reasoning. This you have managed to confirm in repetitive posts by now, and I see no reason to continue the debate. Not least since it is a meta-debate at this stage, not even peripherally touching on the true subject of the thread.

All the best,
Fisherman