Private sale

[Lechmere]

Monty!
You have issues with the Marginalia?
I want the names of the people responsible for those issues.
That sort of unattributable innuendo is typical of your brigade.

[Lechmere]

Yes Sally - I don't like the peel bits but he doesn't listen to me. The story of my life!

[Lechmere]

Yes Rob
I think it would be for the best if no one ever put a document, image or picture up in case some terrible ungrate disagrees with the person who was so gracious as to share with us the fruits of his toils.

Chris!
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I hope that keeps you amused for a while.

[Sally]

I am having high tea with Paddington Bear tomorrow.
I will pass in your best regards, your best mind you, over the marmalade sandwiches with lashings of butter.

Marmalade sandwiches? Bleh!

Good Lord. It'll be Marmite next...

[Ally]

[B]Including the difficulty to make upward strokes without shaking, and the much better capability to make downward strokes without shaking? Interesting!

Which neurological condition, unrelated to Parkisonīs, is it that evinces this trait? And why did Davies opt for saying "certain" neurological diseases, such as Parkinsonianism, if this is the case?

Any disease that affects nerves can cause that. When you are making an upward stroke, you are pushing your fingers "up and out" sort of (try it, you'll see what I mean) so you are engaging nerves and muscles that don't come into play when you do a downward stroke, so there is less "resistance" in a downward stroke than there is in an upward stroke. Anyone can try this and see it for themselves. Any condition that adversely affects the nerves or the extensor muscles of the hands comes into play with upward strokes. It's not Parkinson specific. It is absolutely any neurological condition that can cause damage to the extensor muscles and that is... almost all of them really. We are talking about one small set of muscles/nerves in use in the forming of the upward stroke. The extensors. The neurological condition could be simple neuropathy or a blow to the radial nerve or spinal degeneration.

And have you checked if any other neurological disease puts both the stroke thing AND the grouping of letters on display? Maybe this was what Davies saw? I donīt know - but Iīd love a logical explanation. It does not have to come from you, though.

What specific pathology do you see in the "grouping of the letters"? I don't believe Davis mentioned anything specific about the "grouping of the letters but I could be wrong.

[Monty]

My dear Monty
Being seen to support the Marginalia is clearly very important to you.
I do like a name drop so...
I am having high tea with Paddington Bear tomorrow.
I will pass in your best regards, your best mind you, over the marmalade sandwiches with lashings of butter.

My dear Ed,

Not at all. I have issues with the marginalia. I'm just not partial to casting aspersions on individuals without valid evidence. Kinda old fashioned that way.

Its cute that you have a pet name for Mr Marriott, and be mindful of those sticky fingers. .

Monty

[robhouse]

The Swansons have been unfortunate enough to find themselves on the receiving end of the antics of the lunatic fringe of Ripperology - possibly because all that documentation has acted as a supply of troll-food - but that says nothing bad about the Swansons. In a way, it's probably a badge of honour.

I think this sentence wins the award.

[Chris]

My dear Monty
Being seen to support the Marginalia is clearly very important to you.
I do like a name drop so...
I am having high tea with Paddington Bear tomorrow.
I will pass in your best regards, your best mind you, over the marmalade sandwiches with lashings of butter.

Brilliant! I knew you could produce some more funny stuff if you started using your phone again ...

[Lechmere]

My dear Monty
Being seen to support the Marginalia is clearly very important to you.
I do like a name drop so...
I am having high tea with Paddington Bear tomorrow.
I will pass in your best regards, your best mind you, over the marmalade sandwiches with lashings of butter.

[Fisherman]

Ally: Micrographia is the one calling card that is specifically pointed to as Parkinson's. None of the others are selective only to Parkinson's and are in fact shared by many other neurological conditions.

Including the difficulty to make upward strokes without shaking, and the much better capability to make downward strokes without shaking? Interesting!

Which neurological condition, unrelated to Parkisonīs, is it that evinces this trait? And why did Davies opt for saying "certain" neurological diseases, such as Parkinsonianism, if this is the case?

And have you checked if any other neurological disease puts both the stroke thing AND the grouping of letters on display? Maybe this was what Davies saw? I donīt know - but Iīd love a logical explanation. It does not have to come from you, though.


Denial is a beautiful thing.

Is it? I wouldnīt know. Maybe you are better suited to grasp it.

At any rate, I have said before and I am saying again: I do not think that Davies said that Swanson suffered from PD.

Is that what you are denying; that this is what I say? And how is that beautiful?

The best,
Fisherman

[Ally]

Micrographia is not the one calling card of Parkinsons. Iīve made that point in my posts, where I have mentioned three calling cards.

Micrographia is the one calling card that is specifically pointed to as Parkinson's. None of the others are selective only to Parkinson's and are in fact shared by many other neurological conditions.

Selective argument on the part of people who refuse to concede Davis wasn't saying he had Parkinson's. Yes.

[B]Ah - you are obviously not speaking of me here. Good.

Denial is a beautiful thing.

[Ally]

I cannot, and this is MY bottom line, see a gutter press newspaper like the News of the World, as it was in the 1970's and 1980's, simply turning down the chance to trump everyone with a World Wide Smash Scoop..the CERTAIN name of Jack the Ripper, given the type of newspaper they were, the zealousness of all things Peter Sutcliffe (Yorkshire Ripper) and the fact that the fascination for JTR was highly prominent at the time. It just would not happen. It is as simple as that.

While I agree with everything said in the start of the post, this is where the post goes awry. Why is it so hard for people to accept the truth. The NOTW did not have the CERTAIN name of jack the ripper. First, they didn't even have a first name for Jack the Ripper. And they didn't have the name of Jack the Ripper. They had one police officer's opinion about who another police officer THOUGHT was jack the ripper. That is not the same thing as having the "certain name of Jack the Ripper."

[Chris]

Og course. The Swanson family HAVE done what they like, so far.

The result being?

You judge.

As far as I'm concerned, the Swansons have not behaved improperly in any way whatsoever. On the contrary, they have provided a wealth of documentation for the annotations.

The Swansons have been unfortunate enough to find themselves on the receiving end of the antics of the lunatic fringe of Ripperology - possibly because all that documentation has acted as a supply of troll-food - but that says nothing bad about the Swansons. In a way, it's probably a badge of honour.

[Fisherman]

Ally: And this is yet another point that you completely blew by in your attempt to drown out facts: the one calling card (as you yourself put up repeatedly) of Parkinson's is Micrographia. Which is not displayed in the suspect line.

Micrographia is not the one calling card of Parkinsons. Iīve made that point in my posts, where I have mentioned three calling cards.

Ergo, Davis wasn't saying he HAD parkinson's.

I have never claimed that Davies did say that, Ally. I have, however, claimed that Davies apparently thought he could see traits in Swansons handwriting that led him to believe that PD - or any related disease in the same spectre of neurological diseases - could have been at play.

Not an accurate statement.

It was a statement in a listing of different theoretical suggestions, leading up to the conclusion that we seemingly have a riddle on our hands. As such, it cannot be wrong, Ally.

Or he had a severe hand tremor that only presented itself after exertion. Like after he'd spent all day tying ties.

There are a number of such possibilities, actually. Just as I said in my post to Nemo.

Selective argument on the part of people who refuse to concede Davis wasn't saying he had Parkinson's. Yes.

Ah - you are obviously not speaking of me here. Good.

The best,
Fisherman

[Phil Carter]

You can post the word 'has' in underlined bold purple italics if you like (though maybe I shouldn't put ideas into your head!), but you know as well as I do that the family can do whatever it likes with the book.

Hello Chris,

This opinion is the same as Stewart Evans, on the best place of sale. Go tell Stewart too, if you are going to point things out to people. But....

Yup, the family can do what they like.

But whatever they like also means that they get whatever fallback that follows. INCLUDING family reputation. So doing it water tight Chis.. upholds a family honour. No fallback.

Had I been in their shoes, and I am glad I am not, I'd be upholding that at all costs.

Anything percieved as "not quite on the line" Chris....well... thats the story of the marginalia so far, isn't it?

Og course. The Swanson family HAVE done what they like, so far.

The result being?

You judge.

I only wrote what i personallly believe to be the case..in all fairness. And place and type of sale as in agreement with Mr. Stewart Evans.




Phil