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[Chris]

I see you are sticking to your policy of never addressing any of the issues raised about the Marginalia.

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[Cogidubnus]

Just say, hypothetically, that it was discovered tomorrow that the moon was made of cheese.

That would be one in the eye for the scientific establishment, wouldn't it?

But it is, isn't it? Father Christmas told me so when I was a youngster...

All the best

Dave

PS I think it originates from 1546, when The Proverbs of John Heywood claimed "the moon is made of a greene cheese."

[Jenni Shelden]

Jenni
And spending the rest of the time on Casebook.
Surely that is the saddest act?

Cog
Read pages 4 an 5 and you will see that the possibility of deliberate copying is dismissed with barely any consideration. And as I have pointed out there is no evidence anywhere in the report that the supporting documents were examined. Dr Davis goes through his thought processes and states what was looked at. I don't think it is feasible to add bits in at will to suit your argument.

Hi Ed,
I don't know, I think spending time on Casebook is good, probably at page billion billion of the same thread is a little sad?

LOL - ah well; I am sad and I don't care,
what was that PAddington Bear ...?

Jenni

[Lechmere]

I see you are sticking to your policy of never addressing any of the issues raised about the Marginalia.

[Chris]

I don't think it is feasible to add bits in at will to suit your argument.

I knew you had it in you to be absolutely hilarious if you tried hard enough.

[Lechmere]

Jenni
And spending the rest of the time on Casebook.
Surely that is the saddest act?

Cog
Read pages 4 an 5 and you will see that the possibility of deliberate copying is dismissed with barely any consideration. And as I have pointed out there is no evidence anywhere in the report that the supporting documents were examined. Dr Davis goes through his thought processes and states what was looked at. I don't think it is feasible to add bits in at will to suit your argument.

[Jenni Shelden]

Just say, hypothetically, that it was discovered tomorrow that the moon was made of cheese.

That would be one in the eye for the scientific establishment, wouldn't it?

This is in the running for the post of the thread, that is genius

[Jenni Shelden]

This conversation is all hilarious. Forget marmalade. There is still something not right about the Marginalia. I have no axe to grinde -I'd just like to know the truth -why did Jim glue in that letter and try to pretend that the book was from Anderson ? Is there one single thing independant of the Swanson family that suggests that DSS had a shaky hand ? Its easy and fun to take the piss but no ones given any answers to precise questions.

Where would you suggested looking,
respectfully yours
Jenni

[Chris]

Just say, hypothetically, that the Marginalia was tested again by a reputable auction house and some of it was found to be forged. What would that potentially imply about those missing documents?

Just say, hypothetically, that it was discovered tomorrow that the moon was made of cheese.

That would be one in the eye for the scientific establishment, wouldn't it?

[Jenni Shelden]

Jenni
I didn't tell you about my other friends.
And I was told that Elvis Lives.

I am so relieved, I pictured you sitting force feeding sandwiches to a stuffed toy whilst looking at a waxwork model of Elvis and listening to his GH on repeat!

[Sally]

I think its sad Lechmere's only friends are Paddington Bear - fictitious character and Elvis - deceased

I think it's brilliant - I wish I was friends with Paddington and Elvis (deceased) - I'm so jealous.

Edward has certainly gone up in my estimation.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Ed

If I were a naturally rude person I could accuse you of slithering bluster to cover up a facile and convoluted argument, and other such things.

I wouldn’t do that, partly because I like to think I am not naturally rude, but also because on occasion I get a mild amount of enjoyment out of discussing various ‘Ripperological‘ topics with you and it would tend to sour things

And if I were a naturally rude person I'd accuse you of a sneaky smear campaign, a sort of damnation by the back door...but of course neither of us are really like that are we Ed? I too derive pleasure from our occasional discussions...I got the same sort of feeling only yesterday when I finally pulled a wobbly molar that'd been bothering me for weeks...

It isn’t perverse to suggest that Jim Swanson did not just mean mental faculties – simply because he chose to use the expression ‘all his faculties’. People do talk in that way all the time.

You could ask me if I had ever broken my leg and I might reply that I had never broken any of my limbs – which would imply arms and legs even though the context might superficially just suggest legs.

It's perverse when you admit that Jim Swanson was talking in the context of mental faculties, but then consciously choose to interpret his comment in an entirely different light. That takes a very special form of logic, and under the circumstances I think "Perverse" and "Convoluted" are putting it kindly.

The alleged analogy with a broken limb is no such thing. You are comparing the general with the specific. If you asked me personally if I was in possession of all my faculties, because I have no insurmountable problems, I'd answer yes...if you asked me if I had any physical problems, I'd confess to a dodgy heart and handwriting difficulties...but they don't unduly prevent me from exercising such faculties as I generally possess.

I you read Dr Davis’ reports there is not the slightest hint that he considered the supporting documents as anything else but the ‘known writing of Swanson’.
He refers to the supporting documents as ‘the known writing’ and the Marginalia as ‘the questioned writing’.
You contention that you ‘think it unlikely that he did not consider the provenance of the supporting documents’ is completely unsupported

Ed it's the man's profession...it's what he does...it's inconceivable that he didn't consider whether the supporting documents were genuine. It'd be the first thing he thought of. If you suggest otherwise you're surely impugning his professional reputation? If he wrote "known writing" that's his professional view, and he wouldn't have expressed it without satisfying himself of that.

The reason I don’t think Jim Swanson simply stuck the letter over the inscription in error was because he stuck a letter from Anderson over an inscription that was blatantly from someone else. I do not think that Jim Swanson was stupid.

In any case all that I am actually suggesting is that there are strong grounds for suspicion that Jim Swanson was trying to create a false impression. It cannot be proved at this juncture.

Ah so now we're getting to it...we've now blown away the pretence that you're NOT suggesting Jim Swanson would lie or deceive...you are in fact suggesting that he indeed might've...nice to know where we really stand...

These grounds for suspicion should lead an investigator to take seriously the possibility that a real effort may have been made to copy DS Swanson’s handwriting. This was not the case in Dr Davis’ second report.

Yet Davis expressed his professional opinion that

I have concluded that there is very strong support for the view that this note was written by Donald Swanson.

Consequently I have concluded that there is very strong support for the view that the Set 2 notes were written by Donald Swanson

Summary:

1) I have concluded that there is very strong support for the view that the notes towards the bottom of page 138 in Donald Swanson’s copy of The Lighter Side of my Official Life and the notes on the last leaf in this book were written by Donald Swanson.

2) I have concluded that there is no evidence to support the view that the final line on the last leaf of the book was added much later to a pre-existing text. I have also found no evidence to support the view that this line was written by Jim Swanson.

How much more explicit do you want a professional man to be?

Sorry Ed, it won't wash

All the best

Dave

[Lechmere]

Jenni
I didn't tell you about my other friends.
And I was told that Elvis Lives.

[Jenni Shelden]

I think its sad Lechmere's only friends are Paddington Bear - fictitious character and Elvis - deceased

[Lechmere]

The two missing documents are financially and historically valuable - yet they have been mislaid or lost or whatever.
The Warren memorandum changed our knowledge of the case and Swanson's involvement in it – it is the ‘eyes and ears’ document.

Just say, hypothetically, that the Marginalia was tested again by a reputable auction house and some of it was found to be forged. What would that potentially imply about those missing documents?

I believe the Marginalia cannot be accepted until it is re-tested. By the same token the two missing documents must be counted as being of doubtful provenance until the Marginalia issue is resolve.

If the Marginalia is tested and found to be 100% genuine then there would be no reason to question those two documents even if they remained missing.

That is why the DS Swanson story is in the air as things stand.