Just where do we go from here?

[DVV]

I am not denying you replied. I am merely pointing out the significant lack of substance and awareness contained within your replies.

I'm well aware that, thanks to Jesus word, no Christian has ever stoned his wife to death.

Ancient law, new law.

You seem obsessed by the Old Testament, but christianism isn't only a Midwest protestant sect.

[Ally]

Sigh. I am not obsessed by the Old Testament. I am pointing out that in no way, shape or form did Jesus say that the laws of the Old Testament no longer applied. In fact, his exact words were that he had not come to abolish the law.

It is the interpretation of MEN, you, not the word of your god that says the old laws do not apply. Your god never said the old laws do not apply, that is how you and the majority of your religion choose to interpret it. Meaning everything written in the Old Testament does in fact still apply to Christians, and quite a lot of what's written there is fairly appalling and the foundation of your religion.

Your god SPECIFICALLY stated that he was not abolishing the old law. You choose not to listen. Habitual, really.

[The Good Michael]

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Your god SPECIFICALLY stated that he was not abolishing the old law. You choose not to listen. Habitual, really.

That isn't true. Words were attributed to Jesus, but that doesn't mean they were said, nor does it mean that he existed. In general, however, most Christians are pretty wishy-washy about the Old Testament and consider it to be a phase of God when he wasn't a happy camper, and the peaceful Jesus' dad, is much more comfortable for them to believe in. Yet, Islam has never seen a softening of the words of their 'holy' book. So, yes, it's all nuts, but one is at the present time less peaceful than the other.

Mike

[Smoking Joe]

Fear not my friends,It's all been sorted due to William Hague and the European communities proposed (ratified?) decision to lift the embargo on arms sales to parties involved in the Syrian civil war.
Of course we know where these high tech weapons, anti aircraft missiles etc will end up.....in the hands of the masses of foreign fighters (mostly allied to al quaeda) which will in the end be turned against those that supplied them.What are they thinking of? Mrethinks moral issues are being set aside here,the main motive being financial. We might as well go the whole hog and sell Islam half a dozen nuclear missiles.Well it would help reduce our balance of payments wouldnt it?

[Errata]

Fear not my friends,It's all been sorted due to William Hague and the European communities proposed (ratified?) decision to lift the embargo on arms sales to parties involved in the Syrian civil war.
Of course we know where these high tech weapons, anti aircraft missiles etc will end up.....in the hands of the masses of foreign fighters (mostly allied to al quaeda) which will in the end be turned against those that supplied them.What are they thinking of? Mrethinks moral issues are being set aside here,the main motive being financial. We might as well go the whole hog and sell Islam half a dozen nuclear missiles.Well it would help reduce our balance of payments wouldnt it?

Well, I think most of them will be used against Israel, who must be thrilled by this development. On the other hand, it might keep the poison gas from drifting over Israeli borders, so maybe they're fine with it.

[Ally]

That isn't true. Words were attributed to Jesus, but that doesn't mean they were said, nor does it mean that he existed. In general, however, most Christians are pretty wishy-washy about the Old Testament and consider it to be a phase of God when he wasn't a happy camper, and the peaceful Jesus' dad, is much more comfortable for them to believe in. Yet, Islam has never seen a softening of the words of their 'holy' book. So, yes, it's all nuts, but one is at the present time less peaceful than the other.

Mike

I am not going to argue over the reality of Jesus because it is a mostly irrelevant discussion. What is relevant is they have a testament to their religion. In one book, there are the words of Jesus himself, regarding the law of their religion. The majority of Christians choose to overlook and ignore the words of their own god, in the book they claim is sacred, in favor of the words of mere mortal men who weren't even primary apostles or followers of that god.

In other words, they choose to use the interpretation of a man, over the words of their god so that they can comfort themselves that theirs is a religion of reason and non-violence. They are full of it.

[Smoking Joe]

[QUOTE=DVV;262478]Exactly, Beowulf.
It's not only about terrorism.
They hate our food, our drinks, our art, our shows, our literature, our freedom.
And always find people to defend them.UNQUOTE





If you encounter a Muslim terrorist
You really must not Boot him
And if he cuts your partners throat
For pity's sake dont shoot him.


Adapted with some alterations from Harry Morant 1980

[Mayerling]

It seems to me that one can take any book (religious or otherwise) and quote passages from it to support a point of view or theory. There are sections of the Old Testament that are moving and solid for the purposes of inner peace, serenity, and even universal brotherhood. Jeremiah, for example, is willing at one point to denounce slavery as a thing of evil, by it's nature evil- not a universal view anywhere in the ancient world, including the Jewish kingdoms of Samaria and Judea. But if you read the books of the O.T. you can also find that it is proper to punish a non-Jewish group of Palestinians (when Joshua invades the land) who have signed a treaty of peace with the Jews (while Joshua was away) by enslaving them! By the way, God does not look so hot in that story regarding the inhabitants of a city called "Ai" in the book of Joshua - to punish the Jews for daring to sign a peace treaty instead of killing and enslaving as God has ordered, the deity sends a plague that kills hundreds of Jews. Nice Guy that God!

As for the New Testament, while the general message of Jesus is fine regarding love and redemption, and the sacrifice of Jesus for mankind's sake, there are passages that blame the Jews for the death of Christ. The situation is similar to the blame universally applied to the Muslims after any terrorist action. If one wants to say that Caiphas and the Temple Priests wanted Christ out of the way, it is hard to say no. But the story that Pilate is a placid tool of theirs is for the birds. The Romans ran the show in ancient Judea, and proved this by depopulating the area of Jews after three revolts (the last being the Bar Kochba Revolt of Hadrian's reign). If the Jews had the control that is suggested the Roman procurator Pilate would not have even been there.

Jeff

[Smoking Joe]

Well, I think most of them will be used against Israel, who must be thrilled by this development. On the other hand, it might keep the poison gas from drifting over Israeli borders, so maybe they're fine with it.

With Russia now saying they will supply missiles to Syria...Israel saying "oh no you wont"And rabid John McCain going to visit ...Osama Bin Laden must be laughing his head off In Paradise.
And one of the reported cases of Anti Muslim intimidation came in the form of a Pork chop being left on the steps of a Mosque in Cardiff. (according to the Guardian) If there was any ever doubt that The world and everyone in it is Insane .........
Me? Im bringing my holiday forward to June .It was scheduled for September,but increasingluy Im getting the suspicion that not many of us will be around by then.
Can anybody tell me the Biblical site. where Armageddon is supposed to begin? Dont think it was Woolwich .....but it might be.

[Smoking Joe]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537759476270822&set=a.202019106511529.47885.195946683785438&type=1&relevant_count=1

Morrisons worker suspended for wearing a poppy......shame on you .


No more shopping in Morrisons for me.

[Ally]

Can anybody tell me the Biblical site. where Armageddon is supposed to begin? Dont think it was Woolwich .....but it might be.

The Biblical site is Armageddon. It's a place. Not an event.

[Smoking Joe]

The Biblical site is Armageddon. It's a place. Not an event.

You are of course correct,I didnt phrase my question correctly. Armageddon has been translated by some Evangelists as "The Plain(s) of something or the other,I believe somewhere In Syria. It is where according to this group Armageddon is..This translation wasnt made by some fringe group,but I cant remember the name of the Evangelist group....or obviously the name of the location. Google hasnt been of any help so far.

[Smoking Joe]

Hold on I was too hasty .Not being a Biblical scholar,I might be wrong but Armageddon is both a site and an event.
The site of Armageddon
Armageddon,the second coming , The day of the lord , all describe the same event . Armageddon is also referred to as a 40 year war (i.e an event)....The Battle of Armageddon (an event).
And of course Ronald Reagan referred to Armageddon as an event.

But it is not really worth arguing about is it?

Answer to my own question.
Plains of Megiddo,which leads one exactly nowhere.

[curious]

Plains of Megiddo,which leads one exactly nowhere.

maybe this will help:


UNESCO World Heritage Site Biblical Tells – Megiddo, Hazor, Beer Sheba
Name as inscribed on the World Heritage List
Tel megido.JPG
Country Israel
Type Cultural
Criteria ii, iii, iv, vi
Reference 1108
UNESCO region Asia
Inscription history
Inscription 2005 (29th Session)
Tel Megiddo is located in Israel
Location of Tel Megiddo in Israel.
Ruins atop Tel Megiddo

Megiddo (Hebrew: מגידו; Arabic: المجیدو, Tell al-Mutesellim) is a tell in modern Israel near Kibbutz Megiddo, about 30km south-east of Haifa, known for its historical, geographical, and theological importance, especially under its Greek name Armageddon. In ancient times Megiddo was an important city-state. Excavations have unearthed 26 layers of ruins, indicating a long period of settlement. Megiddo is strategically located at the head of a pass through the Carmel Ridge overlooking the Jezreel Valley from the west.

[Beowulf]

[QUOTE=Smoking Joe;262500]

Exactly, Beowulf.
It's not only about terrorism.
They hate our food, our drinks, our art, our shows, our literature, our freedom.
And always find people to defend them.UNQUOTE





If you encounter a Muslim terrorist
You really must not Boot him
And if he cuts your partners throat
For pity's sake dont shoot him.


Adapted with some alterations from Harry Morant 1980

Love the poem, lol. Of course there is always Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/28/Geller-moderate-Muslims