Riiight

[Varqm]

The Republican anti-vaxxers.Its about science.Science is a standard,test,experoment,analyze,repeat over and over.
It brought us vaccines (cholera,smallpox) hospitals,electricity,cars,phones,etc.,as soon they use any of these they believe in science and they are being frauds. Where are the mass of people getting negatively affected by the vaccines? Law\freedom and science are equally important, if you don't believe in science,live in caves and use smoke signals to communicate.
Republicans are frauds.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I know nothing about USA politics so I won’t add to the thread apart from this post. I have little time even for UK politicians. But the only comment that I’ll make is that every single time without fail that I’ve seen or read about dangerously bat***t crazy USA conspiracy theorists talking about the most deranged of theories and giving the most insane opinions on what’s ‘wrong’ with the USA they are always Republicans. These people are genuinely scary. And every single one of them treats the certifiable lunatic Trump as if he’s some kind of messiah. I find it bizarre that some don’t see this as an issue. I wouldn’t have voted for Trump even if the alternative was a man claiming to be George Washington’s horse.

[Ally]

Everything you post on this subject does not mean anything to me. I have no wish to argue with you. I have no wish to convince you.

You say that, then you go on a twenty paragraph rant immediately proving the opposite. Anyone notice how these people can't refrain from being dishonest and non-hypocritical for two whole minutes? They can't maintain internal, logical consistency within the space of a single post, yet they get a vote. Baffling. And why democracy is doomed. Dimwits get a vote too.

I live in America. I am living the Democrate nightmare. Super inflation, horrible job reports.

LOL, every time there's a republican president the economy crashes and then the Democrat coming in gets blamed for the resulting mess. It's your playbook. This nightmare is a direct result of the preceding Republican presidents idiotic handling of several world crisis. Just like Obama had to clean up Bush's housing crisis catastrophe and so on. Also, the problems we are currently facing are a direct result of destabilizing that went on in the Reagan administration. So, horseshit, entirely.

Border crisis.

There is no border crisis. This is manufactured hysteria to scare people who are racist dimwits into panic. People have been coming here illegally since the Mayflower, darling. Ain't no new thing. Someone needs to pick your food supply. God knows rednecks aren't doing their fair share of the work anymore. Sitting on their asses collecting their government checks while complaining about welfare and socialism.

Energy crisis.
Covid crisis. Russia threatening Ukraine. China threatens Taiwan.

I would love to hear how you justify these as being Democrats to blame, ESPECIALLY the Covid crisis but you know, I'm assuming it's insanity, so why bother.

Afghanistan disaster.

You mean that disaster of a war that a Republican president got us into because he wanted to prove his balls were bigger than his former president daddy's balls? That one?

America has never been in worst shape.

I agree. Largely due to ****wits trying to destroy democracy and tear it down like Trump and his followers who LITERALLY attempted to overthrow the Capitol. But yeah, sit there and PRETEND you give two shits about democracy while supporting a moronic oligarch who attempted to bring it all down.

Polls show that former President Trump is more popular than Joe Biden. Your support of Biden would put you in the minority here in America.

LOL, such lies. Trump didn't even win the popular vote, even when he won the presidency. I bet that chaps his ass.

Every American politician is corrupt. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So, I like to discuss policies rather than individual candidates because claiming Biden and Hillary have any moral character is laughable.

Right but the lying rapist, he's got moral character, despite not following through with a single promise he made during his campaign. That border crisis you're banging on about it being the Democrats fault. Wasn't Mexico going to pay for a wall to be built? Where is that again?

I like Republican policies. I like secure borders.

You like them secured by Russia? And china? Which your Republicans sold us and our safety out to, time and time again, in massive cash grabs?

The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th.

No, they didn't.

There is a huge difference between not having evidence and Judges refusing to hear the evidence of election fraud. The vast majority of the court cases filed were dismissed because the court ruled the plaintiffs had no standing.

Yeah like where Texas tried to sue Pennsylvania because they don't like how Pennsylvania does their elections? So much for believing in State's Rights. Apparently Republicans only believe in States Rights, when it goes their way. But that's interesting don't you think? How many people who sued who don't have standing to sue. Why not have someone who does have standing sue if there's so much evidence? Huh? I mean, if the evidence is THERE, why aren't qualified people suing?

Gee..... let's not think too hard about that one. Just bakes your already poached brain.

Election laws were changed illegally to allow mass mail in voting and limit voter identification. Those are facts.

No they weren't changed illegally. I've been voting by mail for ten years, never been a problem til all of a sudden Republicans realize they're losing. And now, we want to start limiting people's right to vote. Funny how that works. Why exactly do you think we should be making it DIFFICULT to vote in this country? Why do you think there should be all these barriers? Funny how the only PROVEN cases of fraud have been Republicans filling out ballots for Trump. Funny how what you guys keep accusing the OTHER side of doing, is what y'all keep getting caught doing over, and over. Me thinks you girls are protesting too much.

What good has the Biden administration done for America?

Truthfully, he's done **** all yet. But what he hasn't done is humiliate us over and over again on the World Stage like Trump did for four years, we aren't a total laughingstock anymore and that's a win. That's all I'm aiming for anymore, not to be totally embarassed by the dumbass holding the highest office in the land.

Americans love freedom. Our country was built on the principles of a free society.

Americans love freedom but they also used to recognize that with Freedom came personal responsibility and a sense of greater community. Which is now lost. Now it's all about YOUR rights, not your responsibilities, and THAT is why America is lost. You people banging on about how the Democrats are the great evil don't even understand what America was actually built on, and what it actually means. You are slaves to a blinkered mentality. You have no clue what freedom is, you haven't been free in years.

[Svensson]

"Election laws can not be legally changed without being approved by the State Legislature. Election laws in swing states were changed illegally."

Hang on, this makes no sense. In order to change a law, there is a process which includes ratification by the legislature. So you CAN NOT change a law without it going through the state legislature. What you MAY be referring to is that some PROCEDURES have been changed without being approved by the State legislature but this is not neccesarily required. From https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-didnt-follow/:

"Some states did change election procedures without legislation, including some that supported Donald Trump. But experts said this is common.

"It is often the case that there are gaps in election statutes that state and local election officials routinely fill according to their delegated authority," said Rebecca Green, an election law professor at the College of William and Mary. "So to say that all decisions about how elections are run must emanate from the legislature is not consistent with explicit delegated authority to state election officials."

She added: "No statutory scheme can cover every required decision and contingency in election administration, especially in pandemic conditions.""

So you may think "This has gotta be fake news from Politifact" and I have no easy way to verify this but it would make sense for two reasons: 1. There were no complaints from Republicans PRIOR to the elections. Yes there was talk along the way "we don;t like it" but that was pretty much it. Only once Trump had lost did the litigation start and is a sure sign that the litigation was not about the principal of the regulation but about the fact that they had lost the election. 2. Pretty much all of the litigation has been dismissed by Judges who looked at the issues and know more about me.

"Now Joe Biden and the communist Democrats want to Federalize elections." Is this so crazy? I mean, this is a federal election for a federal government so surely, some federal standards should apply, no? Btw, the US Democratic Party is not communist but again, how would you know if Fox and AON are repeating this all the time while these constant "communist", "socialist" allegations are designed to enrage you, to weaponize you for their purpose. IN an attempt to put the record straight a little, here is the first sentence of each from Wikipedia:

"Communism is a philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state." Since these communist policies are absent from the DNC platform, you may from now on refrain from calling the Democratic party "communists" with a good conscience.

"Socialism is a political, social, and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates the many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element." So, similarly to Communism, since there is no mention on the DNC platform to nationalise all industry, you can relax and stop worrying about it. Or you can continue to use the socialism or communism tag in the knowledge that this is not correct and is simply used to enrage yourself as well as others.

"Americans almost 3 to 1 hate the direction our country is going." This stat means nothing whatsoever. If I was American, I would be one of those three in one but for complete opposite reasons than you are.

[Svensson]

And the Republicans supported this traitor and con man. Republicans are frauds and gaslighters.

Some. Not all. there are people who are ok with just doing conservative politics but they are being drowned out by the lunatics atm

[rjpalmer]

Are you suggesting that the Democrat socialist that control America are like the Nazi regime and they will lock me up or even worst kill me for being a Republican?

Dude, I advise that you to lay off the OAN or the Newsmax or the Alex Jones or the QAnon propaganda or whatever social media bubble you are living in.

Go out and meet people--including these 'Commie' Democrats you are raving about---and engage with them.

The Democrat couple down the street that you are raving about and arming yourself against weed their gardens, quilt, attend PTA meetings, and watch football like everyone else.

Obama was in office for 8 years. Where were the concentration camps? Did you see him holding Nazi-style rallies and constantly thumping his chest, or was that the former guy?

Seriously, you are coming across like a half-baked fanatic in a tinfoil hat. The United States is nothing like you think it is.

[caz]

I do not understand your comment? I am very much for Democracy and freedom. However, it is the Democrats that wish to take our freedoms away and transform our rebublic into a totalitarian society.

I appreciate the love. Thanks.

That's fine, celee. I did use the 'if' word twice, to see if I understood what is making you so angry about your lot in life, and what you plan to do about it. Seems I didn't understand - and still don't.

Love,

Caz
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[Varqm]

How come India ,which has a billion more people than the US has only 485,035 deaths while the US has
866,891 deaths.
How come the US, the most scientifically advanced nation on earth, the richest and has one of the best medical field, has the most Covid deaths. Who was responsible for the policies, especially from the very beginning to prevent the spread as much as possible.
Whose oath was it to protect American lives and deliberately and incompetently failed. This was the worst treachery.

More than 60 court cases filed against the Democrats for cheating in the elections failed and all audits failed.
The only evidence of cheating in the election was Trump calling Georgia official Raffensperger to manipulate
the votes and find him 11000+ votes.

If Trump ,the man-child, gaslighter, could accept the lose, like Gore and Hillary, the Capitol riot would not have happened.

And the Republicans supported this traitor and con man. Republicans are frauds and gaslighters.

[celee]

If you feel like a prisoner in your own country, celee, what means do you have to regain the freedom you have lost, if democracy is not your cup of tea?

Love,

Caz
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I do not understand your comment? I am very much for Democracy and freedom. However, it is the Democrats that wish to take our freedoms away and transform our rebublic into a totalitarian society.

I appreciate the love. Thanks.

[celee]

Svensson the United States Constitution grants the power of running election to the individual State legislators. Election laws can not be legally changed without being approved by the State Legislature. Election laws in swing states were changed illegally. Now Joe Biden and the communist Democrats want to Federalize elections. They wish to do away with the legislative filibuster to do so. I do not blame you for not truly understanding what is happening and election laws because you obviously are repeating what you hear on your news source.

I am glad you do not support Biden. I understand now you just hate Trump. Fair enough. I do not love him. I just support Republicans and Republican policies. So, whoever is the Republican nominee I will vote for. Former President Trump or whoever. Americans almost 3 to 1 hate the direction our country is going.

[Svensson]

I forgot who it was but someone once wrote something like "educate yourself becasue you never know when your own ignorance will be used against you".

In your first paragraph, you have demonstrated that you do not understand what communism means. I don't hold it against you because your preferred news-outlets are trying to tell you that public health measures are communism. But it is an example of how your ignorance of basic political sciences is being used to weaponise you for the cultural war that they are perpetuating. Your comments on first and second amendment rights being under attack and the suggestion that there are political prisoners confirms this. For example, the definition of a political prisoner is that he/she is being incarcarated for political VIEWS. The people who stormed the Capitol on 06 JAN were charged and convicted of trespassing, damage to public property, violent assaults on law enforcement officers, obstruction of an official proceeding, etc. None of these are VIEWS, they are criminal actions. So I know that crazies like MTG and the alledge sex-trafficker of a minor are going around suggesting that these are political prisoners but the charges and convictions (i.e. the facts) don't support this. You also say that none of them have been charged with an inssurrection. First of all, this does not mean they are automatically POLITICAL prisoners because as mentioned above, there have been some serious charges and convictions. Secondly, the insurrection was the aggregate of all these crimes. The person who should get the insurrection charge is in fact Donald Trump.

Another problem you have is that you have an absolute world view. Everything is black or white, great or terrible, love or hate and your world view lack any kind of nuance. This is actually a cognitive distortion because it keeps you from seeing life the way it really is: complex, uncertain, and constantly changing. For example, you state that I support Biden. I do not, I never have and none of my posts should give the impression that I do. It is simply YOUR assumption that I support Biden becasue of my comments on Trump.

"Election laws were changed illegally to allow mass mail in voting and limit voter identification." it is not illegal to change laws. Mail in voting in an accepted alternative to in-person voting, even in the US. None of this is proof that there has been fraud as the tragic sequence of lost and dismissed court cases shows. Again, your own ignorance of how elections work is being weaponised against you.

"You are German. So you do not understand. Americans love freedom". The Investiture Contest of 1080 for the first time removed the state from the control of the catholic church and therefore, the secular state was born. Martin Luther's Reformation in 1520 ended the catholic church's opression (as he saw it at the time) of Christians. There was another revolution in 1848 to unite the various feudal states into a republic and the end of World War 1 was preceded by a Revolution in Germany to force Wilhelm II. to abdicate and an armistice was declared. So I think you are mistaken when you suggest that Americans are uniquely positioned to understand the concept of freedom. We have fought many more oppressive kings and popes than you guys have.

I'm not suggesting you should shut up. I am suggesting that you are too far down the rabbit hole that you will do something silly and get yourself into trouble. Like going to the Stop the Steal rally in the first place. Your posts are already suggesting that you have been brainwashed to take up arms for some misguided purpose. You are being used by Tump and Fox for thier own narcisistic purposes. It sounds like you are not a free person after all.

[caz]

If you feel like a prisoner in your own country, celee, what means do you have to regain the freedom you have lost, if democracy is not your cup of tea?

Love,

Caz
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[celee]

Everything you post on this subject does not mean anything to me. I have no wish to argue with you. I have no wish to convince you. I live in America. I am living the Democrate nightmare. Super inflation, horrible job reports. Border crisis. Energy crisis. Covid crisis. Russia threatening Ukraine. China threatens Taiwan. Democrat Senator's threatening nuclear war with Russia. Afghanistan disaster. America has never been in worst shape. Polls show that former President Trump is more popular than Joe Biden. Your support of Biden would put you in the minority here in America. If our country makes it to the 2022 midterms, I do not think we will get to vote I doubt America will ever be the same because no country ever votes its way out of communism, Democrats will be destroyed in the elections.

Every American politician is corrupt. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So, I like to discuss policies rather than individual candidates because claiming Biden and Hillary have any moral character is laughable. I like Republican policies. I like secure borders. Energy independence. A strong economy and job growth. I like putting America first on the world stage. So if I get a chance I will be voting Republican and your opinion about Trump means nothing. Like most people who are obsessed with Trump you are incapable of debating policy.

You wrote "So finally, and I REALLY mean this from the bottom of my heart. YOU need to come out of that Rabbit hole before you end up dead or in jail."

I do not know what you mean? Are you suggesting that the Democrat socialist that control America are like the Nazi regime and they will lock me up or even worst kill me for being a Republican? Because maybe I agree. Our First Amendment rights and our Second Amendment rights are very much under attack and there are several hundred political prisoners being held in custody right now and they have been for over a year. Most of them are charged with simple trespass and none of them have been charged with insurrection, funny enough. The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th.

There is a huge difference between not having evidence and Judges refusing to hear the evidence of election fraud. The vast majority of the court cases filed were dismissed because the court ruled the plaintiffs had no standing. The judges never heard the evidence and the Trump lawyers only filed three of the lawsuits all were dismissed for lack of standing not lack of evidence. Again, I do not care. Election laws were changed illegally to allow mass mail in voting and limit voter identification. Those are facts. However, Joe Biden was declared the winner and elections have consequences. Now we are dealing with those horrible consequences. I am just curious what Democrat policies do you like? What good has the Biden administration done for America? Why should any American vote for him again? The 2020 election results are not going to be overturned and something bad is going to happen in the upcoming months because the ruling elite realize they have lost the battle of public opinion. I fear America is going down the path to marshal law. Our only hope is strong state leadership. Ron DeSantis and other red state governors must stay strong.

You are German. So you do not understand. Americans love freedom. Our country was built on the principles of a free society. Americans have fought a Revolution to win our independence from a tyrannical King and two world wars protecting the freedom of all mankind. I understand and appreciate your concern but suggesting I should shut up and go along with tyrants to avoid jail or death is not registering with me.

[Svensson]

I can not believe Trump bashing is still going on after everything we know now.We know for a fact Trump never colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. We know for a fact Trump never called white supremist "fine people." We know for a fact he did not incite an insurrection etc.... The number of times the media got the story wrong is mind blowing. Not one liberal media narrative about the "Orange man" has turned out to be true. Is President Trump a babe in the woods? Is the Trump family without sin? No, but I doubt seriously the Biden family or Clinton family could stand up to the kind of investigation into their personal lives that the Trump family had to. Another false media narrative proven wrong was Hunter's lap top was not Russian misinformation. I guess when the media narrative fails to be true Trump haters just move on without even acknowledging the media was wrong. They just blindly follow the next false narrative. At the end of the day people need to check in with reality. Joe Biden is the President. He has a 36% approval rating. V.P. Harris approval rating is even lower. The current administration is the most unpopular in American History. "Progressive" liberal policies are destroying our country and almost 200,000 more people have died from Covid under Biden's watch last year than died while Trump was President. Despite of the vaccines. America is falling and people are still crying about Trump and Hillary. What people should be discussing is Democrat policies or Republican policies? Personally I think Democrat leadership is destroying America.

Personally I think you are at the receiving end of Trump's delusional newsletter where he is hallucinating about an alternate universe.

1. Trump attempted to collude with Russia but according to Mueller, he was basically too dumb to criminally cooperate with Russia or he can not prove criminal intent. Don Jr. would have LOVED IT if the information offered to hm had turned out to be what he was expecting (which again begs the quetion, what was he expecting and why?), Mueller documented around 100 contacts of the trump campaign with Russian officials and they ALL lied about these which is why many of Trump's goons ended up doing time.

2. The Mueller report also established that Russia intervened in the 2016 election ON BEHALF OF TRUMP and that Paul Manafort shared campaign internal polling data with Russian intelligence. We also know thaT Roger Stone was attempting to reach out to Wikileaks and co-ordinate the releases to stolen data with them ON BEHALF OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. WE and Roger Stone knew that this was highly dodgy, politically damaging and possibly illegal. Which is why he ALSO lied about it.

3. We have been over this "fine people" thing many times. He called people on "both sides" fine people, one of those both sides includes white supremacists and he was backing them for 4 years. basically if you are a white supremacist in today's US of A, Donald Trump is your man.

4. The whole world was watching and we all know exactly what was going on for the two months running up to 06 JAN. the whole world recognises that this was an attempt by the outgoing president to overturn a legitimate election result. I say legitimate becasue if you have concerns about the legitimacy of an election, you get to present your evidence. No evidence was presented in over 60 court cases. Multiple audits have found no evidence either. There comes a point where you no longer get to say something that you have failed to prove in a court of law. All the lunatic theories about dead peoiple voting, ballot stuffing and switching votes turned out to be hogwash. Once you put the accuser in front of a judge and his hand on a bible, it all fell apart. Not once, not twice, but more than 60 times.

5. Just to drive the point home one more time: The whole world knows that this was an attempted insurrection against the incoming government becasue the loser has a small dick. The only demographic on the planet that are not aware of this is a subset of Republicans and the lunatic fringe of the right-wing press that YOU really need to disconnect yourself from if you value your sanity.

6. Hilary Clinton did 10 hours in front of the Foreign affairs Committee in 2014. I would settle for Trump doing one hour in front of the Jan 6 committee. I think he would completely implode and humiliate himself after 20 seconds (like he does every time he releases a statement "from the Resulte-desk replica of Donald Trump")

The second half our your post is now just sentence after sentence non-sequitur world-salad and random right-wing media talking points copied and pasted with no connection to facts. To takle each of them would merrit its own website. For example: "Not one liberal media narrative about the "Orange man" has turned out to be true." I mean, where do I even begin? it's impossible. The Post's database of 20,000 lies and misleading statements documented is probably a starting point.

7. The Trump bashing is still going on becasue Trump is still hogging the right-wing media-space with mental maneure and lies about the election and the grift about "any day now there will be unbeliveable stories coming out, it should never be allowed". Or he gives and interview and he literally says "I came up with 3 vaccines" !!!!!

So finally, and I REALLY mean this from the bottom of my heart. YOU need to come out of that Rabbit hole before you end up dead or in jail. You need to do yourself and your family this favour. When I talked to my grandfather about his time in the SS from 1943 onwards, his overwhelming feeling from that experience was one of shame that could be strung along so easily with lies and propaganda. Don't let this happen to yourself. Take some pride by getting yourself out of that rabbit hole before life does it for you (like it did for my grand father).

Cheers.

[celee]

I can not believe Trump bashing is still going on after everything we know now. We know for a fact Trump never colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. We know for a fact Trump never called white supremist "fine people." We know for a fact he did not incite an insurrection etc.... The number of times the media got the story wrong is mind blowing. Not one liberal media narrative about the "Orange man" has turned out to be true. Is President Trump a babe in the woods? Is the Trump family without sin? No, but I doubt seriously the Biden family or Clinton family could stand up to the kind of investigation into their personal lives that the Trump family had to. Another false media narrative proven wrong was Hunter's lap top was not Russian misinformation. I guess when the media narrative fails to be true Trump haters just move on without even acknowledging the media was wrong. They just blindly follow the next false narrative. At the end of the day people need to check in with reality. Joe Biden is the President. He has a 36% approval rating. V.P. Harris approval rating is even lower. The current administration is the most unpopular in American History. "Progressive" liberal policies are destroying our country and almost 200,000 more people have died from Covid under Biden's watch last year than died while Trump was President. Despite of the vaccines. America is falling and people are still crying about Trump and Hillary. What people should be discussing is Democrat policies or Republican policies? Personally I think Democrat leadership is destroying America.