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  • Originally posted by Svensson View Post
    "I could have posted news articles that went into much more detail on Shift but you would have dismissed them as propaganda."

    You did not understand my response correctly.what I said is this:

    1. I need a full dataset to form an opinion.
    2. The MSN article DOES provide the full dataset including full text as well as the abbreviated text presented by Schiff.
    3. It so happens that I agree with the MSN judgment that this is does NOT meet the "doctored" and especially not the "forged" definition for the reasons I have given in my last paragraph. For your benefit, I will repeat that paragraph now:

    So Schiff was correct in using this as an example of the kind of BS that was fed to Meadows. Schiff's punctuation is incorrect but it did not alter the central message, which is that Pence should ignore electoral slates based on no legal reason at all.

    So I am reading the available info so I can make my judgment. MSM do provide me with that info, whereas townhall don't. Instead, they give you THEIR judgment. Which is why I consider Townhall propaganda.

    Tell me, how do YOU judge a question like, let's say, should there be a vaccine mandate for teachers?

    Cheers.
    You try to goat me into debates that are nonsense. Like I said this is not my first time discussing things with you. You ignore my questions you cannot answer and then ask question after question in order to argue. Just not my style, Not interested. Because I watch a lot of news and live Senate hearings, I do not rely on any news source to tell me how to feel. You did not even know about the story. I have witnessed Schiff change the text of a phone call for "Dramatic effect" so it is very easy for me to believe that he would do the same thing in front of the select committee he did in front of the Senate. However, I cannot debate an opinion. You are entitled to yours I disagree. I have discussed vaccines in a previous post.
    Last edited by celee; 01-16-2022, 09:18 PM.

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    • I like Greece’s idea of fining people who won’t vaccinate. Refusing them medical treatment would be another option. A good way of trimming the herd.
      Regards

      Herlock Sholmes

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      • Which questions do you want me to answer?

        So my gut feeling is that Teachers should have a mandate to be vaccinated so schools can remain open in a safer way. Teachers spend all day with small children, many of whom are not yet able to get a vaccine and therefore are more likely ro get infected themselves and take the infections baxk to their families. If all school staff were vaccinated, there would be a smaller chance of infections spreading at schools. Also , teachers themselves would be less likely to become ill and having to take days off work because they are in bed with the flu. So the vaccine is needed to keep schools open and to keep them open more safely (and the following part now is important) IM THE MIDDLE OF THE WORST PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS IN A CENTURY.

        In fact, I believe the entire NCR recommendations (https://nrckids.org/cfoc/database/7.2.0.3) should be mandated.

        Now if you think that this is nor reasonable, then you can provide me with some thoughts or data but this better not include anything about socialism.

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        • LOL... Celee hasn't responded to a single person's points, at all, and every time someone refutes one of his ridiculous assertions, he just piles on more, and yet has the gall to say other people don't respond to his points. Not hysterical, just sad. Deflect, dodge, deflect dodge.

          He has no response, because he can't back up his points of view with anything approaching reason.

          Let all Oz be agreed;
          I'm Wicked through and through.

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          • Oh and BTW, did you know that according to the Trump metrics (total GDP and stockmarket value), the Biden economy is now bigger than the Trump economy, even before Covid?

            so you should be happy, right? Biden-nomics are working and are giving the long-suffering American workers a much-needed break, right?

            You want me to provide the sources or do you trust me on that?

            Cheers.

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            • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
              I like Greece’s idea of fining people who won’t vaccinate. Refusing them medical treatment would be another option. A good way of trimming the herd.
              Pretty sick, Herlock. I think the heard is being trimmed. Death rate up 40% among people 18 to 49 in 2021 in America.

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              • Originally posted by celee View Post

                Pretty sick, Herlock. I think the heard is being trimmed. Death rate up 40% among people 18 to 49 in 2021 in America.
                And wards full of people who have refused to be vaccinated due their stupid belief in some barking mad conspiracy theory. This is why Greece has decided to do something about it and other countries have indicated that they might follow suit. No, I don’t want people to die but I have limited sympathy for idiots.
                Regards

                Herlock Sholmes

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                • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                  I like Greece’s idea of fining people who won’t vaccinate. Refusing them medical treatment would be another option. A good way of trimming the herd.
                  Here in N.S W. Australia there were 22 deaths last thurs, 14 were ''double vaccinated'' 8 were '''unvaccinated'', just so your up to date whats actually happening . Im sure you can work out the hospital admittance numbers from that and which ones leading that count . In the two years since covid hit our shores weve had 5150 acholol related deaths in this country , you can double that for drug related deaths , do we not treat them in hospitals also ? and start fining people who turn up when they have done something stupid by their own choice that requires hospital treatment.? Were already on our 3rd and some 4th booster shots here and yet the infection rates still climb. These are the facts herlocks, with respect your above comment is a little uniformed and in poor taste in my opinion . .
                  'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                  • The facts are simple. There’s a pandemic. Medical experts and scientists all tell us that vaccination is the best thing to do. That’s it for me. There’s no need for discussion or thoughts of “what should I do?” Just get your jab, that’s what you should do. If there’s anything that’s in poor taste it’s not getting vaccinated. I listen to no other opinion on the subject. As soon as people say “I don’t like the idea of vaccinating because….” I just switch off. People that don’t vaccinate are idiots who have no consideration for anyone.

                    if I was in charge it would be vaccinate or prison.
                    Regards

                    Herlock Sholmes

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                    • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                      Here in N.S W. Australia there were 22 deaths last thurs, 14 were ''double vaccinated'' 8 were '''unvaccinated'', just so your up to date whats actually happening . Im sure you can work out the hospital admittance numbers from that and which ones leading that count . In the two years since covid hit our shores weve had 5150 acholol related deaths in this country , you can double that for drug related deaths , do we not treat them in hospitals also ? and start fining people who turn up when they have done something stupid by their own choice that requires hospital treatment.? Were already on our 3rd and some 4th booster shots here and yet the infection rates still climb. These are the facts herlocks, with respect your above comment is a little uniformed and in poor taste in my opinion . .
                      I think that most people who do not wish to be vaccinated are not crazy conspiracy theorists they just feel the vaccine does not work. So, why get a shot that does not prevent the spread of the virus. Does not prevent illness even death from the virus and a booster is required every three months. Remember the virus has a 99% survival rate for most people. If the vaccine prevented the spread of the virus more people would get the jab. It should be mentioned that the vaccine does have side effects and has proven deadly for some. So, like I posted before I do not have the answers but treating honest people with legitimate concerns like garbage is not the answer.

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                      • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                        The facts are simple. There’s a pandemic. Medical experts and scientists all tell us that vaccination is the best thing to do. That’s it for me. There’s no need for discussion or thoughts of “what should I do?” Just get your jab, that’s what you should do. If there’s anything that’s in poor taste it’s not getting vaccinated. I listen to no other opinion on the subject. As soon as people say “I don’t like the idea of vaccinating because….” I just switch off. People that don’t vaccinate are idiots who have no consideration for anyone.

                        if I was in charge it would be vaccinate or prison.
                        Well i gave you the facts on the subject, it is what it is . What you do with that information and how you process it is up to you .
                        'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                        • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                          Well i gave you the facts on the subject, it is what it is . What you do with that information and how you process it is up to you .
                          No, you gave edited versions of the facts. For example you left out that the vaccinated patients who died many had underlying health conditions that made them immunocomprised. I mean, kind of a key detail to live out of your biased account.

                          The vast majority of people who are vaccinated and not immunocompromised, aren't sucking up hospital resources, it's the unvaccinated and those who unfortunately have alternate conditions that selfish shits like the unvaccinated contribute to by refusing to do their part to stop the spread.

                          You also leave out the toll it takes on the medical industry who has to put up with the stupidity of selfish shits who think they know better than medical science because Jesus or Facebook told them so. Which is fine, just don't go to the doctor when you're choking on your own fluids though. Oh but no, they run to the doctor then. Suddenly they believe in the healing power of medicine.

                          Let all Oz be agreed;
                          I'm Wicked through and through.

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                          • The problem is the political climate has become an us vs them mentality. So, facts are ignored because people do not want to admit they were wrong. The fact is most people who die from covid, vaccinated or not, have an underlying condition. This is a well-known fact. Healthy people under the age of 65 have very little chance of dying from the disease. The idea that the unvaccinated are spreading the disease exclusively is false. The CDC tells us the vaccine does not prevent the spread of the virus so a vaccinated person can spread the virus to somebody the same as an unvaccinated person. For example, teachers and health care workers can spread the virus if they are vaccinated or not. What the experts claim the vaccine does is prevent a person from serious illness if they get the virus however, that is turning out to be false too. I wonder what the haters feel about those who have died from taking the vaccine? Are they heroes for taking one for the team? 30,000 health care workers in New York were fired because they refused the vaccine. That cripples our health care system more than anything.
                            Last edited by celee; 01-17-2022, 01:38 AM.

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                            • Do you live in Australia by any chance Ally ?
                              'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                              • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                                Here in N.S W. Australia there were 22 deaths last thurs, 14 were ''double vaccinated'' 8 were '''unvaccinated'', just so your up to date whats actually happening . Im sure you can work out the hospital admittance numbers from that and which ones leading that count . In the two years since covid hit our shores weve had 5150 acholol related deaths in this country , you can double that for drug related deaths , do we not treat them in hospitals also ? and start fining people who turn up when they have done something stupid by their own choice that requires hospital treatment.? Were already on our 3rd and some 4th booster shots here and yet the infection rates still climb. These are the facts herlocks, with respect your above comment is a little uniformed and in poor taste in my opinion . .
                                you guys went into severe lockdowns that no other countries did AFAIK. there were months and months of lockdowns, expecially while there was no vaccine available and then there was a slow vaccine roll-out. So the low number of death has been achieved by VERY drastic means. Yes, the rates are climbing now because countries are opening up and I would say that with Vaccines available, the number of infections should no longer be a factor in deciding policy. Which brings me to celee's post......

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