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  • Originally posted by String View Post
    I always found it strange the very same people who want us to return to ‘normal’ are the same ones who by promoting anti vaccination, anti mask and other mitigations are prolonging the pandemic.

    There was a short time at the start of the pandemic when if we had a vaccine and enough people got vaccinated, I think it was over 80% or 90% that covid could have been eradicated. Of course we didn’t have a vaccine, the rest of the world wouldn’t have been vaccinated and we would have the antivax/anti mask cult spreading the disease more rapidly. Now with Delta and now Omicron there is no hope for eradication as their R number is very high. Perhaps the world will learn from this for the next virus, as there will be another, but I very much doubt it.

    In the meantime, wearing masks, getting vaccinated, and distancing are our best defence.
    Agreed, String.

    In my experience, the people who protested the loudest about lockdowns were the same people whose refusal to moderate their own behaviour in any way made those lockdowns inevitable.

    Love,

    Caz
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    • Celee, I have not seen the Harvard Study on the VAERS database and I don't need to because whatever the study is about is irrelevant to my point that the data contained in there is not to be used as empirical data. VAERS provide a "Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data" (https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html) The very first paragraph says:

      "When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."

      Case closed. Harvard Study not needed.

      That is not to say that the database has no use. A reporting database can provide a valuable feedback tool to see if there are trends in the general population that are going under the radar in the clinical studies. For example, I work for a software company and when we have a report of a software defect, one of the first questions we ask ourselves "How widespread is this problem?". To get an idea, we check our forums or in the case of mobile apps, we go to google Play or the Apple store to look at recent feedback provided. Now I can guarantee you that 95-99% of the feedback given in the app stores is completely useless bollox. Most of he time, the user does not understand the app or did not read the manual and what has been reported is not a software defect. But every now and then we can find traces of an issue that can help us finding and then fixing a defect. The VAERS database is likely to serve a similar purpose. But the purpose of the VAERS db is certainly not to be used by the lunatic media as "proof" that the vaccines are killing thousands of people. To do so is dishonest at best and an outright malicious lie at worst. "Fake News" in other words.

      So, now that you have that information at hand, you should be sufficiently inoculated against further BS resulting from the use of the VAERS db. My worry is though, that you simply don't care and that you need your ideological safe space, which happens to be on planet X. In other words, we're going back to my first or second post in this thread to you. It is your decision if you want to re-join the real world or not but for the sake of all of us, I just hope you donlt do anything stupid that results in you ending up dead or in jail. Because you have been radicalised by the BS media surrounding Donald Trump. And THAT'S why I hate him and the crazy-town circus following him around.

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      • Originally posted by celee View Post

        You can not comment on Tucker's story, it is opinion commentary, on VARES because you did not see it.
        And you know what people, I actually agree with this statement, so do you know what I did? I checked it out. Let's discuss. All quotes below from the Tucker Carlson groundbreaking journalistic feat of integrity.

        Opening introductory blather until we get to the meat:

        First statement:
        "Between late December of 2020, and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States."
        Note the word "apparently". And also the word "after". Doesn't straight up say they died from getting the Covid shot, just said they died after getting the vaccine? How long after? Don't know. Some of them died in car accidents, that's not mentioned. Just, they died "after". Not from. Just after. Lovely leading language, dancing the dim to the destination where he dupes your dumbasses.

        Next statement:

        "The actual number is almost certainly much higher than that — perhaps vastly higher. "
        Really, based on what data? Oh, yeah, he doesn't actually say, just throws that out there and lets it hang in the mind, no evidence, no support, no foundation, just fear-mongering.

        Next issue: He goes on to describe the VAERS system and shockingly, makes the same conclusion that Celee does (are we surprised) that the "inaccuracies" are because not everyone reports, not because a person who got their Covid vaccine and then died in a car accident is included in his numbers. Such good journalism.

        One of my favorite parts of this segment is when he says this:
        "
        So what is the real number of people who apparently have been killed or injured by the vaccine? Well, we don’t know that number. Nobody does, and we’re not going to speculate about it."
        No, you're not going to speculate on a number, you're just going to say that the number is vastly higher. Lawd. People fall for this blatant manipulation?

        "In just the first four months of this year, the U.S. government has recorded more deaths after COVID vaccinations than from all other vaccines administered in the United States between mid-1997 and the end of 2013. "
        No, it hasn't. The VAERS system has, which is, again, flawed by lack of regulation and includes deaths from car accidents.

        Next quote:

        "If the vaccine injury reporting system is flawed — and it clearly is flawed — why hasn’t it been fixed? And more to the point, why has there not been an independent vaccine safety board to assess what’s happening."
        HEY!! I actually agree with this question's premise, oh my god, I'm becoming a RedCap, someone save me!! Oh no wait, he then follows up with....
        "But amazingly, none of that has been done. No one even mentions the numbers. And in fact, you’re not allowed to. You’ll be pulled off the internet if you do."
        What horseshit. I mean he's literally sitting there mentioning the numbers, did he get pulled off the internet, oh if only. A valid question, followed by hyperbolic hysterical rhetoric, .... so close to a reasoned position, choked at the finish.

        Next mind-boggingly false and stupid statement:
        "Health Authorities are pretending that everyone’s health and risk potential is exactly the same as everyone else’s"
        Er... no they aren't, that's literally the point of why they are telling people who are healthy to get vaccinated to protect those who are at more risk, what the actual **** are you talking about Tucky?

        We know that according to the government reporting system, thousands of people have died after getting the shot. That is true in this country, where it’s hotly debated when it’s talked about at all, but it’s also true in European countries, whose record-keeping is, if anything, more reliable than ours. Many thousands of other people appear to have been injured after getting the vaccine.
        Oh wow, the Europeans have data? Great can't wait to hear it....

        ..... Nope, he just throws that sentence out there but literally does not provide a single follow up or number or data set or research study or EFF all to support that statement.

        Republican Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Last week, Johnson asked Francis Collins, the director of the NIH, why so many Americans seem to be dying after the shot. Maybe there’s a good answer for that, Collins wouldn’t even acknowledge that was happening.
        Maybe the good answer is that it's because it's not actually happening? Shocking idea there.

        A month later, at the vice presidential debate, Harris was if anything more emphatic on the subject. "If Donald Trump tells us we should take" the vaccine, she declared, "I'm not going to take it. Kamala Harris has, of course, since changed her mind. She’s no longer skeptical of the vaccine, nor does she tolerate the skepticism of others.
        Blatant misleading to the point I will call it a lie. Kamala Harris full response to the question was that she would take the vaccine if medical health professionals and doctors said it was safe to take the vaccine and that she would be the first in line given those conditions, but if Donald Trump said to take it that she wasn't taking it. Which is the correct answer. If BIDEN, tells me to do something that is in direct contrast with medical advice, I'm not following him either. That be brains.

        He then goes on to mock Kamala for kissing her husband on an open tarmac while wearing a mask. Apparently he thinks it's ridiculous for them to be wearing masks because a) they're outdoors b) vaccinated and c) live together. He ignores the fact that they were going from a plane to a car with other people, so what's teh idea there Tucky, get off the plane, take off your masks for twenty seconds before putting it back on to get in the car? The lengths this dimwit goes to in order to ridicule the opposition and the suckers who swallow this nonsense is ....boggling.

        I can't be arsed to deal with the rest, But there you go, I've done my due diligence. And now I need a thorough brain bleach and scrubbing to get the stench of stupid off me. And I need to wipe my internet browser so none will know my shame.

        https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...-covid-vaccine






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        I'm Wicked through and through.

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        • Originally posted by celee View Post

          I hope you do not mind if I reach out to you from time to time for your discernment. There is so much I do not understand.

          Thank you

          PS I was wrong about Trump. Trump bad. I am so glad our life's journey has crossed paths. I am lucky and privileged to correspond with you, buddy.

          Best get Sven's irony detector booked in for repairs again...
          Thems the Vagaries.....

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          • Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

            Best get Sven's irony detector booked in for repairs again...
            I should be able to pick it up tomorrow. Why?

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            • Originally posted by Ally View Post

              Jesus Christ. The video is literally in the first article that Sven linked to you which you claimed you read and then dismissed as being leftwing nonsense. He is literally on video, saying he lies when he's cornered and out of weakness in an article that was given to you not 12 hours ago, and you're here asking for it again. Go back, click on the link that was already given to you, and WATCH FOR YOURSELF.


              Nobody said they never happened, what is being stated and which is factual is that your claim that they are a result of socialized medicine is horseshit. They happened. It had nothing to do with socialized medicine any more than the ongoing Eugenics project in the United states had to do with Socialized medicine. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. You should ask yourself what mental block is just preventing you from grasping it? Brainwashing, maybe?




              He literally quoted your exact words and asked you to expound on your reasonings. How could you NOT have understood the topic? He QUOTED you and asked a follow up.

              Stop blaming everyone else for your inability to think beyond a blurb. That's your issue, and it's not everyone else's fault you're blinkered and refused to accept basic evidence, even when it's spoonfed to you, because you'd rather cling to your fantasies.

              You aren't a victim of anything except your own willful obstinance.
              You win ALLY I will reply to your comments since you have been practically begging for my attention.

              People like you have no discernment whatsoever that is why your arguments are so inane and the fact you so arrogantly believe you are somehow intellectually superior to others makes you a pathetic case. I feel sorry for you. I can only hope your comments are part of your Queen Mean alter ego you like to have fun with because if you really are so foolishly arrogant and obnoxious you must get laughed at a lot. Like a poorly written sitcom character on a low-rated show.

              First Nobody said they never happened, what is being stated and which is factual is that your claim that they are a result of socialized medicine is horseshit

              Svenn asked me a question about what I did not like about the Nazi Health care system. I answered him. Did I say the Nazi Eugenics program was because of socialism?

              The video is literally in the first article that Sven linked to you which you claimed you read and then dismissed as being leftwing nonsense. He is literally on video, saying he lies when he's cornered and out of weakness in an article that was given to you not 12 hours ago, and you're here asking for it again. Go back, click on the link that was already given to you, and WATCH FOR YOURSELF.

              Tucker is talking about lying in general. Everyone has lied. He goes on to say he does not like to lie and he tries never to lie on his show. Meaning, if you had an ounce of discernment, he may say something that is untrue on his show unintentionally. Refreshing honesty. Full quote. “I really try not to. I try never to lie on TV. I just don’t ― I don’t like lying [but] I certainly do it, you know, out of weakness or whatever.”The 52-year-old host claimed that his rivals at competing cable networks like CNN “systematically” and deliberately lie to protect “the system” How many times has a CNN host said something that has turned out not to be true? Tucker is explaining they do it deliberately. I agree with his opinion.

              Why do you keep butting into my discussions with other people? I told you I do not enjoy your type of debating style. Rude and obnoxious.






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              • Svenn Question to me regarding Nazi Germany.

                What in particular do you not agree with in German health care between 1933 and 1945?

                My reply


                Forced sterilization Hitler's Germany. The forced sterilizations began in January 1934, and altogether an estimated 300,000 to 400,000 people were sterilized under the law. A diagnosis of "feeblemindedness" provided the grounds in the majority of cases, followed by schizophrenia and epilepsy. Most of the persons targeted by the law were patients in mental hospitals and other institutions. The majority of those sterilized were between the ages of twenty and forty,

                Forced sterilization in Germany was the forerunner of the systematic killing of the mentally ill and handicapped. In October 1939, Hitler himself initiated a decree which empowered physicians to grant a "mercy death" to "patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health." The intent of the so-called "euthanasia" program, however, was not to relieve the suffering of the chronically ill. The Nazi regime used the term as a euphemism: its aim was to exterminate the mentally ill and the handicapped, and elderly thus "cleansing" the "Aryan" race of persons considered genetically defective and a financial burden to society. In all, between 200,000 and 250,000 mentally and physically handicapped persons were murdered from 1939 to 1945 under the T-4 and other "euthanasia" programs.

                The disgusting thing is I am sure some people will approve of Nazi Eugenics.

                I never mentioned socialism in my reply.




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                • Originally posted by celee View Post

                  You win ALLY I will reply to your comments since you have been practically begging for my attention.
                  Oh don't play hard to get, half the responses you've been making to other people contain responses to things I've said, and they haven't. Playing the coquette only works if you aren't actually easy.

                  People like you have no discernment whatsoever that is why your arguments are so inane and the fact you so arrogantly believe you are somehow intellectually superior to others makes you a pathetic case.
                  And yet, at every turn, when asked to back up your arguments with actual facts, sources or other evidence you're utterly incapable of doing so, so.... hmmmm?

                  I feel sorry for you. I can only hope your comments are part of your Queen Mean alter ego you like to have fun with because if you really are so foolishly arrogant and obnoxious you must get laughed at a lot. Like a poorly written sitcom character on a low-rated show.
                  See more lies. Or just proving you're morally bankrupt. Personally, I don't go on rants against people I feel sorry for. I consider that punching down and beneath me. So which is it, do you not really feel sorry for me, or are you morally bankrupt?

                  Svenn asked me a question about what I did not like about the Nazi Health care system. I answered him. Did I say the Nazi Eugenics program was because of socialism?
                  Wow. Just wow. On the one hand you attempt to attack me for thinking I'm intellectually superior to you, then you post something like that. I actually am starting to feel like I'm punching down. Well this is unfortunate. Because that's just.... wow.

                  But okay darling, you said that Nazi's were the worst example of socialized medicine.

                  So, I'm going to ask you directly, how are Nazis the worst example of socialized medicine? You made a claim: Nazis were an example of socialized medicine run amok. So, how?


                  Tucker is talking about lying in general. Everyone has lied. He goes on to say he does not like to lie and he tries never to lie on his show.

                  He literally says he lies when he's backed into a corner. And "tries" not to lie? He says he does it when he's backed into a corner. He LITERALLY says if he's argued into a corner, on his show, he lies. And you're defending him. Yep, don't feel sorry for you anymore. He has a responsibility as someone being paid millions of dollars on a NEWS network to not allow his own personal ego and sense of affront to lead him into making rash, ego-driven lies. You have an excuse, you're doing this for free, he's being paid millions to lie.

                  So let's see, multiple screaming insults because they can't maintain a cohesive narrative, followed by defending a man who says he lies when he's backed into a corner. Yep. Trumpers. Bastions of integrity.

                  I mean at least I sprinkle actual facts into my heaping helping of ad hominem. You should try it. Facts add flavor to everything.


                  Anyone else feel like this could be a SNL skit? A bad one, but still:

                  Insane Person: Nazis are the worst example of socialized Medicine!!
                  Sane Person: How?
                  Insane Person: Nazis had forced sterilization!
                  Sane Person: Forced Sterilization had nothing to do with Socialized medicine.
                  Insane Person: I never said socialized medicine in my answer!! LAWYERED!


                  Let all Oz be agreed;
                  I'm Wicked through and through.

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                  • Originally posted by celee View Post
                    Svenn Question to me regarding Nazi Germany.

                    What in particular do you not agree with in German health care between 1933 and 1945?

                    My reply


                    Forced sterilization Hitler's Germany. The forced sterilizations began in January 1934, and altogether an estimated 300,000 to 400,000 people were sterilized under the law. A diagnosis of "feeblemindedness" provided the grounds in the majority of cases, followed by schizophrenia and epilepsy. Most of the persons targeted by the law were patients in mental hospitals and other institutions. The majority of those sterilized were between the ages of twenty and forty,

                    Forced sterilization in Germany was the forerunner of the systematic killing of the mentally ill and handicapped. In October 1939, Hitler himself initiated a decree which empowered physicians to grant a "mercy death" to "patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health." The intent of the so-called "euthanasia" program, however, was not to relieve the suffering of the chronically ill. The Nazi regime used the term as a euphemism: its aim was to exterminate the mentally ill and the handicapped, and elderly thus "cleansing" the "Aryan" race of persons considered genetically defective and a financial burden to society. In all, between 200,000 and 250,000 mentally and physically handicapped persons were murdered from 1939 to 1945 under the T-4 and other "euthanasia" programs.

                    The disgusting thing is I am sure some people will approve of Nazi Eugenics.

                    I never mentioned socialism in my reply.



                    I'm not disputing that this is correct, I am disputing that this is "socialised Health Care", which is your beef. For the record, socialised health care still existed in Nazi Germany, so people could go and see a doctor or a dentist at subsidised costs. Eugenics were not provided by the health care system but by legislation that would intern the feeble mindes in conentration camps where they were first sterilised, and used for forced labour, experiments, or just executed. Apples and Pears.

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                    • Problem is, Ally, you and Celee will now be pulled off the Internet because you have mentioned the numbers in the VAERS database. According to Tucker.

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                      • Originally posted by Svensson View Post
                        Problem is, Ally, you and Celee will now be pulled off the Internet because you have mentioned the numbers in the VAERS database. According to Tucker.
                        Oh don't be silly, why you'd have to be crazy to beli

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                        • Originally posted by Svensson View Post

                          I'm not disputing that this is correct, I am disputing that this is "socialised Health Care", which is your beef. For the record, socialised health care still existed in Nazi Germany, so people could go and see a doctor or a dentist at subsidised costs. Eugenics were not provided by the health care system but by legislation that would intern the feeble mindes in conentration camps where they were first sterilised, and used for forced labour, experiments, or just executed. Apples and Pears.
                          good read svenn National Socialist Medicine and the Eugenics of the Overweight | Frontpagemag

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                          • ...I bet he actually thinks that article is somehow relevant to the topic?

                            It's not, but that's not the telling feature in his posting it. For those that don't know, the article he is sourcing is from an extremist right wing magazine, that is massively alt-right, and massively racist and notorious for pushing conspiracy theories, particularly against Islam.

                            So...well that says a lot about a person, doesn't it? Nobody with any shred of sense would use that disgusting excrement as a source for anything, unless they were so far gone in their alt-right delusions that they genuinely don't know the difference anymore.

                            Repulsive. But very enlightening.


                            Let all Oz be agreed;
                            I'm Wicked through and through.

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                            • Originally posted by Ally View Post
                              ...I bet he actually thinks that article is somehow relevant to the topic?

                              It's not, but that's not the telling feature in his posting it. For those that don't know, the article he is sourcing is from an extremist right wing magazine, that is massively alt-right, and massively racist and notorious for pushing conspiracy theories, particularly against Islam.

                              So...well that says a lot about a person, doesn't it? Nobody with any shred of sense would use that disgusting excrement as a source for anything, unless they were so far gone in their alt-right delusions that they genuinely don't know the difference anymore.

                              Repulsive. But very enlightening.
                              Yes, well when someone does not agree with you they are a right-wing extremist. Well, you are a left-wing nut. You probably read just the first paragraph and stopped. because the article discusses social medicine and the Nazi eugenics programs. I have noticed reading comprehension is something you have a problem with.

                              Let's see. I cant reverence FOX News. I cannot reverence NewsMax. I can only use left-wing bias sources that you agree with. You have some nerve whining, like a child, asking for sources.

                              All you want to do is argue. You have no interest in a discussion. I can see why people report you. You probably enjoy it. You enjoy abusing people. Does it make you feel better to abuse people? I have gone out of my way to avoid discussing anything with you and you have gone out of your way to insult me. I do not care about any opinion you have on any subject. Only an insecure person would be persuaded by your discussions. "Please Ally do not make fun of me anymore, I agree with you." You are an internet bully.

                              It is people like you that divide America and people like you are why nobody can have any type of positive discussion. You use foul language and insults to show off your superior intellect? I am laughing at your superior intellect.

                              BTW David Horowitz is Jewish. He is a reformed socialist. Who supported Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump that is the real problem is it not? he is a conservative Jew. Since when did the Democrat party become so anti-Semite. The Democrat Socialist party kind of reminds me of another socialist party. The similarities are frightening. You know what the Southern Poverty Law Center is not the Bible, babe. David has led a pretty interesting life you might want to do some research on him before you open your gator. The problem with the left today is they are disinterested in opposing views Anyone who does not fall in line with their ideology 100% is labeled a right-wing extremist. David is a very complex person who has had life experiences that have molded his political views like most of us. less, the person is a left-wing nut that allows their political views to be manipulated by biased media. David Horowitz does not agree with you so he must be a bad man. As a former Democrat, I can tell you it is people like you that are driving moderates away from the Democrat Party.
                              Last edited by celee; 01-19-2022, 02:06 PM.

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                              • LOL, I asked you a question Celee, you haven't answered it yet, but you have time to write PARAGRAPHS defending your right wing extremism. Telling. Bonkers, but telling.

                                How about answering a question instead of defending your extremist views and the racists who support them?


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