President Trump and First Lady Have Tested Positive for Coronavirus

[rjpalmer]

I don't know if you are an American or not but I am and I live in Washington, D.C. and I can tell you that the Washington Times is a very right wing Republican newspaper.

The Washington Times was founded by the cult leader and tax evader Sun Myung Moon. It's a propaganda rag with a long history of being anti-science.

If science gets in the way of making a buck, it should be scorned and denied and ridiculed. Hasn't that been the attitude?

If so, it hasn't aged well.

[Chief Inspector Clouseau]

Holy smoke.
Who cares which newspaper reported it? It's a fact. Do you seriously think the Washington Post or The New York Times would publish this? Of course not.
Zara Rahim was a top staffer to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, not just some 'no class idiot'. So, yes, again: shame on her!
What about Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Christine, who praised the nutcase that severely beat Rand Paul by saying "Rand Paul's neighbor was right"?
I wonder why she would say that? Right, because, well, Paul is a Republican senator. That's ok. Well, shame on her as well.
Funny because since Trump's election, democrats sympathizers have been assaulting people wearing Trump's 'Let's make America great again" red ballcap.
And Democrats sympathizers have been trashing public properties (buildings) for weeks after Trump's election.
And, now, this:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...irus-diagnosis

Shame on them too.

[Svensson]

To conflate a former Clinton staffer with "the Democrats" is quite a stretch especially when Biden, Harris, Schumer, Pelosi and Obama are all on the record in wishing "president" Trump all the best. This is basically the entire Democratic leadership and probably more empathy than Trump himself has ever shown and deserves when considering how he attacked H. Clinton for her pneumonia in 2016.

I'm happy to be on the record that no one deserves other people wishing their death which includes "president" Trump. I hope that yours and Fox's outrage will also include the countless death-threats and death-wishes against AOC, Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar, all of which have been instigated by Trump and his goons, and once this does happen we can probably have a "fair and balanced" discussion about what is decent and what is most certainly not.

I'm also happy to be on the record that I agree with SNL in that I wish DJT a lengthy recovery but a recovery nonetheless. This is a man whose (in)actions and constant lies are directly responsible for the death of tens of thousands of american citizens. In fact, his incompetence is only really matched by his narcicism as commander-in-chief. All this in the same week when his taxes confirmed him to be a major national security risk (bet that half of you have already forgotten about that...).

cheers.

[Wickerman]

I just watched the closeup of Trump in the back seat of that Black truck, if you stop the film I'm sure you can see a flesh coloured tube along his jawline, below that black mask, but above his shirt collar.
And, that black mask is big enough to cover an oxygen mask, that he doesn't want us to see.

[Chief Inspector Clouseau]

I guess you will dismiss this as well?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...gnosis-n999173

[rjpalmer]

No worries, Clouseau.

Trump will almost certainly survive his own reckless behavior, get better, and then spend the last three months of his term trying to toss 20 million people off health care in the middle of a pandemic that he, himself, made worse.

Nice spin and finger-pointing, though; I'd try to change the conversation, too, if this was my guy.

And by the way. I spent part of the last 6 or 7 years living in Trump country. If I had a dime for every Trump supporter that expressed glee at Ruth Ginsburg's various hospitalizations, or had openly said something along the lines that "someone ought to shoot that n-----" during the Obama administration, I'd be able to buy at least a handle on one of Trump's gold-plated toilets. But now y'all suddenly want to cross the aisle, join hands, get out the ukulele, and sing Kumbaya?

You disappoint me, mate. I thought you lot loved putting on the Proud Boy gear, flexing your muscles, and wearing "Fugg Your Feelings, Trump 2020" t-shirts made in China.

Suddenly the hate doesn't feel so good, eh?

No it doesn't. And I mean that sincerely. Hate doesn't feel good. It's corrosive. It slowly kills the one espousing it.

When the death toll hit 200,000 Trump said to the cameras: "It is what it is."

Meditate on that a while.

Maybe Trump will come out of his brush with death a little wiser and more human. I certainly hope so. But somehow I doubt he will. And I also doubt that the average Trump supporter would like it if he did. At least the ones I have known and met.

[Svensson]

And, that black mask is big enough to cover an oxygen mask, that he doesn't want us to see.

Interesting theory. When I saw the size of that mask, I assumed it was designed to hide Putin's butt so he can continue kissing it while out and about :P

[Svensson]

I guess you will dismiss this as well?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...gnosis-n999173

Absolutely correct and you should be happy too, Inspector. Trump has not listened to anyone with authority on Covid-19 and has therefore botched the federal response and has even seriously undermined many states' attempts to fight the virus. The proof is in the pudding and all statistics show that the US had an abysmal summer compared with the rest of the northern hemisphere countries where the response was effective. The delta resulted in tens of thousands of deaths in the US. So if Trump finally changes his approach to Covid-19 due to his illness, then this has to be a good thing, right? There is a possibility that this is the smack on the bottom that he needs but judging by yesterday's publicity stunt, I wouldn't hold my breath (yet).

Something else that caught my eye in this survey: 48% of Republicans are surprised that Trump caught Covid-19. I'm not....

[Lipsky]

To conflate a former Clinton staffer with "the Democrats" is quite a stretch especially when Biden, Harris, Schumer, Pelosi and Obama are all on the record in wishing "president" Trump all the best. This is basically the entire Democratic leadership and probably more empathy than Trump himself has ever shown and deserves when considering how he attacked H. Clinton for her pneumonia in 2016.

I'm happy to be on the record that no one deserves other people wishing their death which includes "president" Trump. I hope that yours and Fox's outrage will also include the countless death-threats and death-wishes against AOC, Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar, all of which have been instigated by Trump and his goons, and once this does happen we can probably have a "fair and balanced" discussion about what is decent and what is most certainly not.

I'm also happy to be on the record that I agree with SNL in that I wish DJT a lengthy recovery but a recovery nonetheless. This is a man whose (in)actions and constant lies are directly responsible for the death of tens of thousands of american citizens. In fact, his incompetence is only really matched by his narcicism as commander-in-chief. All this in the same week when his taxes confirmed him to be a major national security risk (bet that half of you have already forgotten about that...).

cheers.

Is there a reason why "president" is in quotation marks? He IS the President in office or do you not recognize him?
Funny cause that's what the "hardcore" (=laughable) faction of the democratic party is doing. Aunt Maxine and such esteemed personalities.

AOC was on Fox so the mudslinging wont get you anywhere. I find Fox news as the only really "unscripted" network -- I can hardly watch these weird robotic politically-correct humanoids of MSNBC , CNN etc. Though I always go back to the meltdown of the "young turks" for a good laugh on a blue monday.

The funniest thing of all is that the democratic party considers themselves "progressive" -- AOC, since I mentioned that spoiled princess, the "far left" (lol!) of the "establishment" -- whereas these terms are mutually exclusive -- AOC, the rising star of glam-slam "polished" capitalism, whose "new green deal" is the new profit-cash-cow for the postmodern "tech"-leaning bourgeoisie.

Trump's hairline is less pathetic than that bunch of "progressive" hired hands of the ruling class : )

[c.d.]

Is there a reason why "president" is in quotation marks? He IS the President in office or do you not recognize him?

You mean in the same way that so many Republicans claimed that Obama was not actually the President? Surely you haven't forgotten the whole Birther movement?

People in glass houses...etc. etc.

c.d.

[Svensson]

Is there a reason why "president" is in quotation marks? He IS the President in office or do you not recognize him?

I do it because he is only a president in title and not in character.

[caz]

Well he's out, but is he going to self-isolate, or risk infecting more staff and family members, who might not all agree with him that the virus is not so bad and they needn't be afraid of it?

Tell that to the friends and relatives of the million + who have died around the world, including 200,000 + in America.

[Svensson]

AOC was on Fox so the mudslinging wont get you anywhere.

not sure how AOC going on Fox somehow disproves that they and DJT have been responsible for death threats against her. And it's not mudslinging at all, these are well-established facts:

Watch Fox News obsess over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for 6 straight weeks
Study: Fox News is obsessed with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Fox mentions Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for 42 days running – 3,181 times

All of which leads to stuff like this:'s
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez receives so many death threats her staff performs visitor risk assessments
Louisiana police officer's Facebook post says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'needs a round,' report says
Man who said Ocasio-Cortez ‘should be shot’ sentenced to time served on weapons charge
AOC opens up about death threats after baseball team shows offensive video of her

I find Fox news as the only really "unscripted" network --

Hasn't Tucker Carlson replaced Blake Neff by now?

I can hardly watch these weird robotic politically-correct humanoids of MSNBC , CNN etc. Though I always go back to the meltdown of the "young turks" for a good laugh on a blue monday.

Quite a lot in here actually starting with right-wing populism favourite subject of "Political correctness" which is probably worth its own subreddit. All I would say at this point is that it is more about rules of acceptable conduct with other groups (political, ethnical, sociological) without which we be in the middle of a civil war already. I also note that right-wing populism's definition of "political correctness" is pick-and-chose rather than absolute. How else would we explain that Trump is a champion of fighting "political correctness" while at the same time being outraged at people wishing he would die from Covid-19 or that his supporters are labelled as racists, fascists and deplorables. None of which is politically correct of course but it would be a consequence of the new mantra of "telling it like it is" that Trump supporters seem to like so much about DJT's presidential style.

There is a video of Cenk Uygur going on ABC about a month before the 2016 election and he suggested as the only pundit that Trump would win the election and he was basically laughed out of town. I think the 2016 "Young Turks Meltdown" is funny from an "owning the libs" point of view but at the same time, I think that their worst predictions from that time about Trump have come true and then some. I mean, there was still the hope in 2016 that Trump would actually become "presidential", a hope that Trump has spectacularly failed to live up to. It's also interesting to see how most of Cenk Uygur's points from 2016 have stood the test of time (not patriotic but narcicistic, terrible business man, no health care plan, brought his own swamp instead of draining it, etc etc.)

The funniest thing of all is that the democratic party considers themselves "progressive" -- AOC, since I mentioned that spoiled princess, the "far left" (lol!) of the "establishment" -- whereas these terms are mutually exclusive -- AOC, the rising star of glam-slam "polished" capitalism, whose "new green deal" is the new profit-cash-cow for the postmodern "tech"-leaning bourgeoisie.

Too many platitudes here for me to pick apart. Except maybe that I feel that political discussion of any kind can not function unless terms and descriptions are used correctly and their content is critically examined. For example, I see Fox news being very liberal labelling Sanders, Biden, AOC, Harris as socialists, communists or marxists, which of course is not true. Socialism is when the bourgeoisie own the means of production of goods and services. The state then would act as a proxy, so no private companies could exist. To my knowledge, there is no US Democrat policy that would result in all means of production being state owned. Likewise, Communism would then prohibit personal property. All goods would be owned by the commune and everyone would be paid essentially the same salary. Goods like houses, cars and washing machines would be "given" by the state/party to the individual (no doubt dependent on being a loyal party-member) but never be owned by the individual. This is basically what happened in the old East Germany but again, I see no policy proposal by the US Democrats that would result in it. Marxism would be to achieve a socialist state via revolution which is basically what happened in Cuba which again has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders, AOC or Biden.

The point of this paragraph is not to be authoritative on these terms (i'm sure that some people smarter than me can point out as mistake here or there) but that meaningful discussions are pointless without established definitions. I have worked in IT for the last 20 years and we wouldn't be able to function without agreement on term like "Defect", "Feature impairment", "feature gap", "missing feature use case", etc. We would get NOTHING done if everyone were to talk about something different when using these terms. My feeling is that US politics has arrived at this point some time ago and unless they still have the ability to take immediate and corrective actions (i.e. get Trump out of the White House and deal with "trumpism"), political discourse will break down completely which will effectively be the end of a democratic and free US. And the reason why I am following US politics so closely atm is because we are looking at another decade of austerity in Europe following the Covid-crash, so we will need to be on our guard against those who will want to take advantage of the economic and political situation. Basically, if we're not careful, I believe we are only about 3-5 years behind the US in terms of falling apart.

Trump's hairline is less pathetic than that bunch of "progressive" hired hands of the ruling class : )

So you agree it's pathetic, right?

[Lipsky]

not sure how AOC going on Fox somehow disproves that they and DJT have been responsible for death threats against her. And it's not mudslinging at all, these are well-established facts:



So you agree it's pathetic, right?

Well surely if AOC can "tolerate" being on a show of a news network that supposedly sends "Death threats" (?) against her, that disputes your argument.

I mean, the bias of the major corporate networks against Trump has nothing to do with the man or his followers: the same corporate establishment thrived for decades (and indeed continues to do so) on the ignorance and simple-mindedness of the "american folk" as long as that "ignorance" was groomed and directed at will, i.e. in the instance of the Cold War, against the Soviets and Communism in general. CNN and the likes had no problem discarding not only "Free speech" but democracy in general when it suited the interests of their political bosses. Their - hilarious indeed - fury against Trump is that this president was not hand-picked by the clique that rules US and therefore the world. The "transition" was meant to be HRC, with Jebb Bush acting probably as the "fall guy", so that another war could be waged -- the Democratic Party's favorite technique -- war overseas, "liberalism" at home.

Trump brought a halt to that "program" and became, accidentally, a reckon for the "average joe" who suddenly saw the "big media" that were tutoring him to insult him in ways unimaginable. We found out, suddenly, that the "average american" is "clueless", "bigot" and other derogatory terms. All that, by a holier-than-thou bunch of mouthfuls who, aside from the fact that they havent done a single day's labor work, were all too eager to paint warmongers like JFK as "saints", and statists like FDR as "fathers of the nation" without questioning: a single-road narrative that clips all objection and narrows down free speech and free thought to a simple "yes" or "no": the favorite method of "the american way" to resolve 'difference of opinion'.

In that sense, I see only one populism: it's glitz, polished, with lights all too bright and a weird cast of characters, most of them "celebrities" christened as such by themselves and their friends: a bunch of hollywood and media quaks who preach on the working class without having a clue about either working or class.

Trump has been the only US president in a really long time not to launch a war, to actually recognise and de-escalate tension with the DPRK and came to the brinks of dismantling NATO. At the same time, in his own style, he offers god-forbidden truths: unchecked immigration serves not only for the criminals profiting from it (the short-sighted impact) but also for the worsening of laborers' wage and the dismantling of union power etc.

Is he right-wing? Probably he defines himself as such. But then again so is the "self proclaimed left-wing" Bernie, AOC and the 'wild bunch' of the democratic party. The worst thing about THOSE right-wingers is that they steal the vote from deluded "progressive" people who simply think that it is "left wing" to denounce the republican party --- where as the democratic party implements the same policies, if worse (see Cold War era, EVERY US president from the democratic party launched an offensive war, from Truman to Carter and the post-cold war "Bill").

Socialism is not about the "bourgeoisie" owning the means the production [where did you get that?]. Roughly defined, socialism is the public / common ownership of the means of production. Not state-owned. State exists to protect this collective ownership, just as in capitalism the state exists to protect the private ownership of the means of production. Socialism offers a "withering state" en route to a higher stage of communist society. Property in "general" is never abolished. It cannot be. Socialism, as the Soviet experience demonstrated, also encourages the private ownership of small-scale industry and agriculture (the "kolhoz" as opposed to state-owned large-scale agriculture--> the "sovhoz"). Therefore, a small-scale ownership exists in socialist construction. and it is a dynamic process where technological innovation must come into play -- Lenin claimed that "socialism is soviet plus electricity" in a famous quote while the "civil war" (invasion of 14 foreign armies in aid of the czarist forces) was waging.

So, from all the above, you can understand I am neither right wing nor republican. But it is exactly because of that , that i can see the democratic liberal capitalist servants for the hypocrites that they are. And hysterical, at that. For good reason though.

You see, Trump's hairline is off the radar -- but at least it's genuine -- genuine enough for the working "average person" to resonate -- a first step towards a really "woke" american society.

And if you feel this is absurd-- well, History does move in absurd ways. Half the work of Karl Marx is dedicated on proving that point.

[Svensson]

It's not Fox issuing the death threats against AOC, its their coverage that results in some knuckleheads issuing death threats against her. It's an example of stochastic terrorism which we have already seen in the Trump world.

There is a lot to complain about how News networks need to cater to their corporate owners but you are over-estimating their influence on my judgement of DJT. You can pick any one of his 20k lies but when for example he says that he has "clean coal" and Wind turbines cause cancer, then it is not your alleged media bias against him that offends my intelligence but the actual comment from Trump itself. Just this morning he called Kamala Harris a "Monster and a Communist" whereas a couple of weeks ago, he wished Ghislaine Maxwell well. When he does something like this, he offends my own sense of what's right and what's wrong and my reaction is not a result of the so-called corporate media bias. So my issues precisely with Trump and all his lies and not with the media's interpretation of Trump.

I sense you have the need to create the complex and elaborate construct of a reality in which Trump gets away with all of this. Pretty much the only thing that I give Trump credit for is to at least attempt to engage North Korea directly but even here, he had to lie about it when he touched down in Hawaii on the way back. Nothing was resolved, the DPRK have probably built another dozen of Nukes since then and Kim got everything he wanted. Trump stopped "the war-games" (meaning military co-op with south Korea) and gave Kim enough talking points go play on loop in DPRK for the next 10 years.Trump meanwhile got nothing and has now lost interest and has moved on because he doesn't have the attention-span to continue what was actually a correct path. Oh and then there were the love-letters with a communist dictator and mass-murderer. Does this not have even the slighted capacity to embarass you for this irrational clown being your president?

Democratic presidents starting overseas wars? Please help me complete the following list of overseas wars which I have just done from memory:

Obama -
Bush Jr. - Afghanistan, Iraq
Clinton -
Bush Snr. - Iraq
Reagan - Grenada, Nicaragua, Panama