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  • #46
    Hi c.d.

    Not to put you on the spot here, but in an earlier post you reminded us what happened to Clinton in 2016.

    Originally posted by c.d. View Post
    ....In fact, more people voted for Hillary Clinton than they did for Trump but Trump was elected President as a result of winning the Electoral College vote.
    Yet, later you wrote:

    Originally posted by c.d. View Post
    If a presidential candidate wins the popular vote in a state then the state's representative in the Electoral College is REQUIRED to cast the number of electoral votes that that state has for that candidate. The electoral college votes after the election but it is a mere formality since they cannot change the results of the vote.
    So, what happened?

    Regards, Jon S.

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    • #47
      Hello Wick,

      Not sure where your confusion lies. Trump won the election because he got more electoral votes than Clinton. I think you have to have at least 270 electoral votes to win. The states have a different number of electoral votes to cast and they all go to the winner of that state which is decided by the popular vote. So if Trump won a particular state even by just a handful of votes then that state's electoral college representative is required to cast their electoral votes for Trump. They can't change the results of the vote in their state.

      Again it is the electoral votes that decide the overall winner not the popular vote. So you can win the battle (nationwide popular vote) but still lose the war (electoral votes).

      Hope that helps.

      c.d.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
        Thankyou c.d.

        Now I get it, and it doesn't seem all that Democratic to me.

        Also, thankyou RJ.
        But Wick England has a similar System, parts A can win 51%of the seats by a handful of votes each, lose the others by a landslide and still form government.
        G U T

        There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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        • #49
          One last try since I am probably doing a piss poor job explaining it. If Trump wins the popular vote in say California by even just one vote he wins all of California's 55 electoral votes. When the electoral college convenes, California's representative in the Electoral College is required by law to cast all of California's electoral votes for Trump. He can not change the election results in California. The same goes for all the other members of the electoral college. They have to cast their votes for the candidate who won the popular vote in their state not the candidate who got the most popular votes overall in the country.

          c.d.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by GUT View Post

            But Wick England has a similar System, parts A can win 51%of the seats by a handful of votes each, lose the others by a landslide and still form government.
            I left England about 40 years ago...
            Regards, Jon S.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by c.d. View Post
              One last try since I am probably doing a piss poor job explaining it. If Trump wins the popular vote in say California by even just one vote he wins all of California's 55 electoral votes. When the electoral college convenes, California's representative in the Electoral College is required by law to cast all of California's electoral votes for Trump. He can not change the election results in California. The same goes for all the other members of the electoral college. They have to cast their votes for the candidate who won the popular vote in their state not the candidate who got the most popular votes overall in the country.

              c.d.
              Thankyou for you're perseverance c.d., take the weekend off
              Regards, Jon S.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

                I left England about 40 years ago...
                Sorry I always thought you were in England.
                G U T

                There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GUT View Post

                  Sorry I always thought you were in England.
                  That's OK GUT, I confuse people all the time.

                  I half expected you coming back with - Canadian politics are about the same. Which, if true, should be embarrassing for me except for the fact I have shown no interest in our politics, I don't have an issue in the way things are going here.
                  Trudeau is doing a fine job, except for his legalizing of Pot, I didn't agree with that.

                  Trump though keeps getting upset with Canada and tries to push Trudeau around. I've heard that Trump's closest advisers don't like Canada because we have been able to control COVID-19 much better than the US. We even keep our borders with the US closed because the US can't be trusted to follow common sense (not all of them of course), but Trump isn't interested in protecting his people, never has been, it's a shame 40% of the population can't see the wood for the trees.

                  Let's hope he is gone this November then we can all breathe easier, in more ways than one.

                  Keep 'em out!
                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

                    That's OK GUT, I confuse people all the time.

                    I half expected you coming back with - Canadian politics are about the same. Which, if true, should be embarrassing for me except for the fact I have shown no interest in our politics, I don't have an issue in the way things are going here.
                    Trudeau is doing a fine job, except for his legalizing of Pot, I didn't agree with that.

                    Trump though keeps getting upset with Canada and tries to push Trudeau around. I've heard that Trump's closest advisers don't like Canada because we have been able to control COVID-19 much better than the US. We even keep our borders with the US closed because the US can't be trusted to follow common sense (not all of them of course), but Trump isn't interested in protecting his people, never has been, it's a shame 40% of the population can't see the wood for the trees.

                    Let's hope he is gone this November then we can all breathe easier, in more ways than one.

                    Keep 'em out!
                    Actually I am pretty sure Canada is the same.
                    G U T

                    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GUT View Post

                      Actually I am pretty sure Canada is the same.
                      It would make sense, we do follow British customs & laws quite close.
                      But, I have to be honest, I've never looked into it, never had reason to.
                      Regards, Jon S.

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                      • #56
                        Everybody's getting in on the act.....
                        • China "prefers that President Trump - whom Beijing sees as unpredictable - does not win re-election", the statement says, and has been "expanding its influence efforts" ahead of the vote
                        • Russia is seeking to "denigrate" Mr Biden's candidacy and other members of a perceived "anti-Russia 'establishment'". Mr Evanina added that some other actors linked to Russia "are also seeking to boost President Trump's candidacy on social media and Russian television"
                        • Iran is trying to "undermine US democratic institutions", Mr Trump, and "divide the country" ahead of the vote by spreading disinformation and "anti-US content" online. Their efforts are driven partially by a belief a second term for the president "would result in a continuation of US pressure on Iran in an effort to foment regime change"
                        https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53702872
                        Regards, Jon S.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Wickerman View Post


                          Our ruling: Missing context

                          We rate the claim that mail-in ballot fraud in New Jersey is a sign of bigger issues as MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. It’s true that charges of corruption have been made in a local New Jersey election conducted by mail. But assertions by Judicial Watch about how that case shows a systematic problem with voting by mail are not supported by their evidence. The article fails to note that several states have voted entirely by mail for as many as 20 years with fraud cases being an extreme rarity, and that states have protections in place to ward against election fraud.
                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...le/5493078002/
                          More trouble in Detroit surrounding absentee ballots. Yet we are meant to believe something like only 0.00004% of such ballots are fraudulent.

                          https://eu.freep.com/story/news/poli...rs/5635528002/

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                          • #58
                            i sense a hanging chad like debacle coming

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                            • #59
                              A hanging what?

                              Is that an American expression?
                              Regards, Jon S.

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                              • #60
                                Hi Wick.

                                On some American ballots, one punches out their choice from a little perforated rectangle. I want candidate X, so I punch out his rectangle with a pencil, or whatever tool I'm using.

                                The election of Gore v. Bush Jr was contested, particularly in Florida, where GW's brother was governor. Every ballot was recounted. It became a matter of contention whether ballots that weren't entirely punched-out deserved to be counted. Some of the ballots had a "hanging chad," where the voter obviously wanted to vote for candidate X, but didn't press firmly enough to entirely remove the rectangle from the ballot.

                                Hence, "hanging chad" had become part of the folklore of national elections.

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