Richard III & the Car Park

[Monty]

Sally

"Later on, when things had settled down a bit, it would have been more circumspect to erect a momument - but not at the time. I don't think that there is any question of his having been 'dumped'. Just look at where he was buried."

n 1612 Christopher Wren visited Herrick, whose house occupied the site then, and reported that the garden contained a 3-foot tall stone pillar inscribed, "Here lies the body of Richard III sometime King of England."

Leicester has a strong affection for richard also. He stayed in the City before he died after all, and there was reason for that. We have streets, pubs, buildings and statues dedicated to him all over as well as a memorial stone. For york to just say they have the moral high ground is laughable when for 500 odd years they couldn't give a monkeys. They didn't push for the excavation and the support given (from what I've heard) was one of a mocking tone at the begining of the dig.

Their claim is no stronger. Its either Leicester or westminster, however the descision has been made.

Just let him rest in peace now.

Monty

[Graham]

I've not read all the posts on this hugely interesting thread, so forgive me if I'm duplicating what's already been written.

Richard looked upon York as almost his 'home town', visited it several times, and was generally loved and admired by the populace who showered him and his son with gifts. He also planned to be buried at York Minster and spoke about building a chantry-chapel for himself there. After Bosworth, the recorder of York wrote: King Richard late mercifully ruling over us was through great treason piteously slain and murdered to the great sorrow of this city.

He still most certainly had plenty of friends and supporters in York, even after Bosworth.

Graham

[Monty]

The Forest of Barnsdale/Sheffield Robin you mean, Monty?

Nottingham has the Sherwood one pretty neatly sewn up.

I just saw something on the BBC News Chennel, but as I was on the phone didn't catch the commentary. A reporter seemed to be in an exhibition with holograms of the bones etc. Is that in Leicester do you know? - if it is I'll be across like a shot!!

Phil

Errr yeah,

Its in the Guildhall. I pass it daily on the way to work.

Its the white building on the right where the bollards are at the begining of this video...

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=3ZlIU9JYnYs

Gimme a shout, I'll show you around.

Monty

[Sally]

Sorry Rivkah - posts crossed.

[RivkahChaya]

Or he found some way to work with his problem.. training from a young age to compensate?

It isn't possible to compensate for that degree of debility to do what Richard is suppose to have done. It is possible to compensate for a lesser debility, which it is almost certain he did do. Moreover, a curve like that is just not what real scoliosis looks like. I emailed my cousin who is an orthopod, who said "Never say never," and she never treated someone who went untreated until age 36, but her guess, if she saw an x-ray that looked like that, was that the person had spent almost all their time lying down for most of their adult life.

I think that gravity on a corpse for 500 years accounts for some of the curve the way the skeleton is laid out in the photograph. Perhaps someone will do an upright reconstruction of the skeleton, or at least a cast of it, and we'll have a better idea of what Richard's posture would have been.

Bodies have been found in all sorts of odd and twisted positions, but they weren't in any posture from life. Heck, I doubt Mary Kelly slept with her legs spread painfully apart, with one hip out of joint.