Pastor Urges Parents to "Man Up" and Punch Effeminate Children

[DrHopper]

Absolutely. There is nothing worse than a overly made-up girl with fake tan, brainlessly prattling about nails and shoes - complete waste of oxygen. Equally as off-putting, is a crotch-scratching unwashed sports fan, belching his favourite tune!
*shudder*
And good for you for wearing heels - I tried it once... how in God's name can you walk in them? I nearly died!

[Ally]

If you speak with a lisp, say things like "oo, get 'er", ponce around with your hand on your hip, and endlessly spout dreadfully unfunny innuendos - and I'm looking at you Alan Carr - then you deserve to be discriminated against, and I will also discriminate against you. You are a man, you have a set of testicles - don't act like a caricature, it is demeaning to yourself and make me feel ill.

I find it equally demeaning when woman act like that. I find it equally demeaning when women "flutter" and act the brainless vapid "girl".

Which is not to say that I don't enjoy a pair of 4-inch cage heels with the best of the ovary set. But I kick ass in them, I don't prance.

Extremes of either end of the spectrum, which usually involves either belching, scratching brainlessness or mincing, prancing brainlessness is extremely annoying, again, regardless of the sex of the person doing it.

[DrHopper]

Oh, and I should add that I enjoy knitting, occasionally hunting for food (rabbit and squirrel), I am a huge jazz fan, I skateboard and surf, I own a number of pink shirts, I prefer wine to beer (although l do drink ale) - I am a mass of contradictions!
However - and I say this as having several gay friends, a gay uncle (now dead), and a number of gay colleagues - I cannot stand the fake affected 'gay' mannerisms that some men think they have to adopt in order to be gay. Who you are attracted to is not my business, nor does it matter in the least if it's other men; if you are a cool guy, then I'll like you.
However, If you speak with a lisp, say things like "oo, get 'er", ponce around with your hand on your hip, and endlessly spout dreadfully unfunny innuendos - and I'm looking at you Alan Carr - then you deserve to be discriminated against, and I will also discriminate against you. You are a man, you have a set of testicles - don't act like a caricature, it is demeaning to yourself and make me feel ill.

[Errata]

Actually sexual abuse is no more common in the homosexual population than in the heterosexual population. Both groups are holding steady at 1 in 4 females and 1 in 6 males. The typical reaction to abuse or assault of this nature is to avoid sexual encounters entirely, or to become hypersexual towards those who remind them of their attackers. Very few people change their sexual orientation. And in fact, it's impossible to do unless the tendencies are already there. I think it's fair to say that nothing could persuade Tom to pursue a romantic relationship with another man. No trauma could swing him that way. That is a fair assessment of anyone.

[DrHopper]

Lol. Point taken. As for gay people having been born gay, I've observed it and heard about it by acquaintancies. Of course, there are tons of gays who lived in confusion and hesitation before they "came out of the closet". Not to mention those who got a wife and kids at an early stage, before they figured out that they were gay.


There are even historians who have argued that Jesus and his disciples – you know what. At that time it wouldn't have been unusual, Tom. The Romans truly did it. A lot!


Try ALL the ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks, ancient Romans. Though I should have clarified and said "bi", not just gay. In the antiquity women were for the most part considered as commodities for procreation while sexual relations between men were considered as the "higher, more intellectual" thing to do. Even Plato features quotes like that.


I appreciate it that you're thinking outside of the box of political correctness, Tom. Only in this case you're making the mistake of becoming a reductionist (vs. a minimalist, lol!), as you're only focusing on this from your point of view and esp. from our current time. You have to look at the big picture, at the entirety of human history. Plus humans are developing (in a Darwinian fashion, if you want) both biologically and as a society. It never stops. Thus you can never say "It should be done like this because it was like this in the past."


You know, the way life on our planet is evolving, it's starting to appear that procreation's a dead end, lol. :-)

Following this thread with interest.
Mariab - just want to point out something - Homosexuality in the Classical world is a really complicated issue. There were many degrees of what we would now consider to be homosexual behaviour, over and beyond teenage fumbling with one's mates. Female homosexuality seems to have been much less common - or at least less reported - and even Sappho eventually married and had children. Men had sex with each other, but it was not usually in a sustained 'relationship' per se, more in the way one visits a prostitute, or then, as a teacher and a pupil. The 'female' half of the coupling was viewed with some disdain, whilst it was macho to be the 'male'. It really is an interesting topic to explore, and of course over the years attitudes changed - it was encouraged amongst soldiers and discouraged amongst teachers, etc. Whatever the time though, homosexuality was never considered 'normal' as such - there were no long-term 'life-partner' couples in the sense that we know it now - it was something that was done, but within reason (I'm a classical archaeologist BTW).

For my own part, I grew up with a gay uncle - he was fun, and never hid his homosexuality, nor did my parents. My mum was a mild feminist who taught me to treat both genders with respect and equality, to cook and clean, and that racism and homophobia were not acceptable behaviour (in a masculine world, arguably 'female' traits). My father was a hard-working craftsman who taught me to use my hands, about the outdoors, to swear and drink, and about girls (arguably male traits).

And in response to the original post and subsequent comments, I do think that there is a trend toward more 'feminine' males - in that there is a move away from John Wayne and Humphry Bogart (men's men) toward the more, how shall I put it, effeminate (?) man - think the vampires from Twilight! Is this a bad thing... not sure. I do think it's sad if we lose what it is that society used to say makes us men - those traits I listed above - and the freedom to carry both a pocketknife and a handkerchief, and to act as a gentleman, in the same way that I think it would be sad if women lost the corresponding traits, including looking great in a beautiful dress and high-heels, and to act as a lady, and became more 'butch'. Random thoughts, and I ean no offence to anyone.

[Ally]

If you know any lezzies, just tell them you read somewhere that a lot of lesbian couples have large dogs, etc. and ask if it's true. I think you'll be shocked at what you learn. Oh sure, your friends might not be into that, but I can assure you many will know what I'm talking about.

And blue eyes are prettier than brown. That's a fact, not an opinion. No way they're on the decline.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hmm..so actually the people I know who usually have large dogs are fanatic Christian right wingers such as yourself. I guess you've revealed more about yourself and your proclivities than you cared to.

Not to mention everyone knows all pedophiles are christians. It's right there in the bible.. Something about suffer the little children who come onto god ?
Christians and their perverted ways. I mean Mark 10 is all about Jesus molesting little kids so that they can earn heaven. Disgusting. Really.

[Tom_Wescott]

You're kinda methodical, Tom. You started with gays. Now it's lezzies. You should do she-males as next.

You've been spying on me?

Hi Limehouse, that post was uncharacteristically generous of you. Thanks. However, I don't think the ability to control sexual urges would change too much between gays, straights, and peddies. In each group there will be some who can, some who can't, and some who just don't want to. I would say it's pretty well known there's far, far more promiscuity in the gay lifestyle, as I'm sure most any gay would tell you. Peddies live primarily in a fantasy world and (thankfully) aren't offered a lot of opportunities to act out their fantasies.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Limehouse]

Errata,

Yes, it's no secret that molestation at an early age is a common trait among lesbians. This is a good example whereby such an 'orientation' is neither a choice or inborn.

Ally and Limehouse,

But brown eyes aren't as pretty as blue. And IF they're on the decline in the U.S., they won't be for long. So, what are your opinions about the substantial percentage of lesbian couples who have sex with dogs?



Well, duh. But that's a law. My point is that a true pedophile has no more control over his sexual inclination than a gay. Having said that, I would never be mean to a gay, but I would happily infringe upon the rights of a child molester if I caught one in the act. I'm in Oklahoma, so I doubt I'd get in much trouble. I'm not opposed to giving real sex offenders the option of chemical castration over a prison sentence. By real sex offenders, I mean those who do harm, as opposed to prossies and johns who shouldn't be lumped in with rapists and molesters.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi Tom,

I am glad you would not be mean to a gay person. I don't agree that people do not have control over their sexual urges. Many gay and heterosexual people live celibate lives. Paedophiles can, but often do not, control their urges. I agree that chemical castration is a viable option for child sex offenders if they continue to offend. It seems we agree on most points really, at least those that matter.

regards,

Julie

[mariab]

You're kinda methodical, Tom. You started with gays. Now it's lezzies. You should do she-males as next.

[Tom_Wescott]

If you know any lezzies, just tell them you read somewhere that a lot of lesbian couples have large dogs, etc. and ask if it's true. I think you'll be shocked at what you learn. Oh sure, your friends might not be into that, but I can assure you many will know what I'm talking about.

And blue eyes are prettier than brown. That's a fact, not an opinion. No way they're on the decline.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ally]

Ally and Limehouse,

But brown eyes aren't as pretty as blue. And IF they're on the decline in the U.S., they won't be for long. So, what are your opinions about the substantial percentage of lesbian couples who have sex with dogs?

Since you are now just going off with your irrelevant offensive stupidity, rather than even attempting to pretend you have a reasoned argument, I will presume that you are well aware you have no rational ground on which to stand, are well aware that your prejudice is simply your irrational fear of your own desires to do guys, and that you prefer to play the obvious buffoon rather than just admitting you have no argument.

Enjoy your irrelevant tangents.

[mariab]

Yes, and gays fit in with pedophiles in regards to what we're discussing, though clearly they are legally and morally different.

Good. Then we finally came full circle and got this cleared, and this is precisely why I didn't take your post comparing homosexuality to pedophilia/bestiality/lust murdering at face value from the start, as stated in my post #48.

And pedophiles are notoriously bad dressers, which might be why they often stick to all black outfits with little white neck collars.

:-)

[Tom_Wescott]

Yes, and gays fit in with pedophiles in regards to what we're discussing, though clearly they are legally and morally different. And pedophiles are notoriously bad dressers, which might be why they often stick to all black outfits with little white neck collars.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

So, what are your opinions about the substantial percentage of lesbian couples who have sex with dogs?

Lol. Or snakes?

Yes, it's no secret that molestation at an early age is a common trait among lesbians. This is a good example whereby such an 'orientation' is neither a choice or inborn.

Sounds very much like a choice to me, Tom, conscious or not.

My point is that a true pedophile has no more control over his sexual inclination than a gay. {...} By real sex offenders, I mean those who do harm, as opposed to prossies and johns who shouldn't be lumped in with rapists and molesters.

Agree, yet you did throw in the gays in the same category as pedophiles. Maybe cuz in reality you do get the fact that for both in most cases it's an inborn inclination.

[Tom_Wescott]

Errata,

Yes, it's no secret that molestation at an early age is a common trait among lesbians. This is a good example whereby such an 'orientation' is neither a choice or inborn.

Ally and Limehouse,

But brown eyes aren't as pretty as blue. And IF they're on the decline in the U.S., they won't be for long. So, what are your opinions about the substantial percentage of lesbian couples who have sex with dogs?

Secondly, when you equate homosexuality with paedophilia you are overlooking the fact that homosexuality is between consenting adults whereas paedophilia is not. Children cannot consent to sex, adults can.

Well, duh. But that's a law. My point is that a true pedophile has no more control over his sexual inclination than a gay. Having said that, I would never be mean to a gay, but I would happily infringe upon the rights of a child molester if I caught one in the act. I'm in Oklahoma, so I doubt I'd get in much trouble. I'm not opposed to giving real sex offenders the option of chemical castration over a prison sentence. By real sex offenders, I mean those who do harm, as opposed to prossies and johns who shouldn't be lumped in with rapists and molesters.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott