Rioting in UK capital

[lynn cates]

un British

Hello Phil, Caz and Robert. This is NOT proper British behaviour. It makes me sad and ill.

Cheers.
LC

[Heinrich]

Is the Olympic Games still on then?

[Ally]

Here's a thought, shoot forty or fifty more of them a night. They get mad over one? Hell eventually you'll weed the population down to the ones smart enough to stay home and do their homework.

[JTRSickert]

I hope everyone over there that posts on this site is ok. I don't know who are majorly responsible for the rioting (e.g., blacks, whites, or whatever) but what I think it is are all the chavs are getting together and trying to jsut create chaos and disorderly conduct.

[Robert]

Caz, it would have to be dirty water - subjecting them to clean water for the first time in years would produce too much trauma.

[Fleetwood Mac]

The areas affected are predominantly black communities.

In terms of shipping them out of the country, yes, it's an ideal that has no basis in reality.

Having said that, we need to find a way to stop this, and if it takes harsh punishment and them learning the hard way, then I'm afraid that's what it should be; and it follows that liberal idealism is not the solution to this problem.

[caz]

...it's nothing to do with being black or white.

It's all to do with being young and not having the sense to want to be an individual.

Immature copycats all; determined criminals very few I'd wager.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Caz, I think you'll find that if it rains on them, it would be a violation of their human rights.

Indeed, so the cops would need a sprinkler attachment for their water cannons and the water would need to be at a nice warm bath temperature for the poor loves.

Love,

Caz
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[Limehouse]

The vast majority are black. The areas going up are predominantly black communities, e.g. Tottenham, St Pauls in Bristol.

Do you agree?

I agree that Tottenham has many black residents. I can't speak for the other areas you mention as I am not familiar with them but I believe they do have a sizeable black population.

However - I do not agree that the vast majority of rioters are black. How can you know that unless you were present during every outbreak? I saw both black and white youths involved in disorder on the news reports I saw.

With reference to your other points, how can you ship British people out of the country? Where would you send them? Who would accept them?

We have to deal with the situation. If they are British citizens then it's Britain's problem. We have laws to deal with arson, theft, violence, violent disorder etc. We need to bring the culprits to justice - certainly - but we also have to deal with the causes and it's nothing to do with being black or white.

[Robert]

I totally sympathise with any teachers who have to teach this scum. I can understand if they leave the profession. However, I seem to remember that teachers were at the forefront of the campaign to outlaw corporal punishment in schools. One popular line went : "If I needed the threat of the cane to get a class's attention, then I wouldn't be a very good teacher." Several years down the line and some of the teachers are demanding police protection.

You cannot have a society without discipline - preferably self-discipline, but if that fails, then external discipline.

[Limehouse]

It's 'gangsta' culture, that's what it is. It's revolting and it doesn't matter what colour or creed participate in it, it's negative, opportunistic, selfish and in its worst manifestation, violent or even lethal.

I've seen it first hand in schools of all places. It's one of the reasons I left the teaching profession. Self-righteous kids who think they're untouchable because they have 'rights' or a posse of bully boys who are willing to go to extreme lengths to exact retribution for the most pointless of transgressions.

It's mob violence, safety in numbers cowardly crap. We now see how out of control it can be - this is not just people avoiding dodgy areas at night any more, this is coming to a town near you. You have no choice but be subjected to the results of their criminal mindset.

The government needs to get VERY tough now. And it shouldn't be seen as containing/inflaming a political struggle or principle because there isn't one to opress. It's stopping extreme criminality. These kids and those that tag along with it are now - just because they feel they can - wantonly destroying or communities and OUR rights to be able to just go about our lives.

Great points John. I agree totally.

[Robert]

Caz, I think you'll find that if it rains on them, it would be a violation of their human rights.

[Sister Hyde]

I've seen it first hand in schools of all places. It's one of the reasons I left the teaching profession. Self-righteous kids who think they're untouchable because they have 'rights' or a posse of bully boys who are willing to go to extreme lengths to exact retribution for the most pointless of transgressions.

that is not just the "gansta culture", it all starts with the "king child" culture of western european countries, and that disgusts me more than a bunch of immigrant kids enjoying their freedom a bit too much.
Kids, from wealthy families, well educated, very often who manage to get a good job thanks to their relatives despite their ungratitude and the useless years they've spent in school lazying, and who behave worst than the rest while they've actually always been privileged.
Some 10 years ago they did a VERY interesting experiment on that kind of kids, instead of sending them to juvenile, they dropped them in the middle of Finland's icy no mans land with nothing else than a sleeping bag a the strict minimum tin cuttlery and gobelet, like "so... you guys always brag about being adult??mature?? and handling whatever? you wanna play tough?? There you go, enjoy being responsible for finding something to eat on a daily base for yourself and not freezing to death!!"... Well, it didn't take them long to cry for their mamma and wish for a stuffed bear, cartoons and a hot cocoa. Maybe that can be a good idea to follow for teaching professions

[caz]

Here we are:

http://tiny.cc/107im

Can I just make it clear that I am not 'cazza2808' who made the off colour comment below the news story!

Love,

Caz
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[Chris]

And, of course, you've edited my previous post and conveniently left out the 'white, black, whatever' comment.

I did no such thing. There was no reference to 'white, black, whatever' in the post I quoted. That was in a subsequent post.

You're the one who introduced the issue of racism into this discussion. No one else.