Rioting in UK capital

[Robert]

"And what about more legal forms of robbery such as off-shore bank accounts and registering a company in some far off country where the tax is pennies thus depriving this country of valuable revenue?"

What you are calling robbery is the legal avoidance of tax. Legally, it isn't robbery but you're saying that morally, it is. You're saying that these people should voluntarily pay tax that they wouldn't otherwise have had to pay. Stripping the tax angle out of it, what you're saying is that rich people should make a charitable donation.

So far, there's no contradiction in what you have said, but you must be consistent. If rich people ought to make charitable donations on pain of being called robbers, what would be your attitude to, say, John Lennon? How many of his millions should he have given away?

[Penny_Dredfull]

Rioting in UK Capital

Sorry Fleetwood Mac- this is one spot of bother that can't be blamed on the Muslims. In fact, in many instances they have shown themselves to be outstanding defenders of their communities and admirable citizens,forming groups to protect local shops and businesses- what the three Muslim men in Birmingham were doing when they were tragically killed. And well done to the Turks in Dalston for setting on the looters and making them turn tail and run!
I lived in London for many years- for a time even on the notorious Broadwater Farm Estate in Tottenahm, and I've seen it all, and believe me- Muslims are not the problem!

[Chris]

John Prescott was doing his best to make this arguement the other night on Question Time.

I just went to the trouble of listening to Prescott's contributions to Question Times on the iPlayer, and he said nothing like that.

Certainly he said - among a lot of tough talk about policing and being tough on criminality - that it was important that young people should feel they have opportunities, but that's no more than common sense. If we've got to the stage where a politician who states that view is going to be accused of saying "law abiding citizens are to blame for depriving people of a flat screen tele," we may as well forget about any sensible political debate.

[Limehouse]

Really, you might bear in mind that the prime minister cut short his holiday in Tuscany because of this.

And I understand that, of his four holidays this Summer, that was the one he had been looking forward to the most.

I really hate it when toffs say they are 'holidaying in Tuscany'. Why can't they say 'Italy?' It's so bloody pretentious.

As for Cameron - in every situation - he has no public persona what-so-ever. He would do well to remember he is leader of virtually an unelected government. How dare he criticise the police when he has attacked their pensions and cut their numbers to the bone?

I bet if he was within fifty yards of the rioting yobs he's have filled his pants.

[Limehouse]

What about the student riots? Ship that lot out as well. Sikhs and muslims? Any of them breaking the law should be shipped out as well.

Penal colony sounds good to me.

Will there be room on your penal colony (where will it be by the way?) for law-breaking MPs and members of the House of Lords? Will you want to 'ship out' corrupt policemen and dodgy share dealers who bankrupt their employers (not to mention the whole country)?

And what about more legal forms of robbery such as off-shore bank accounts and registering a company in some far off country where the tax is pennies thus depriving this country of valuable revenue?

You see - whilst I will always say that what the rioters have done is completely unaceptable and I am deeply ashamed - it's really just their version of what they see others doing - people who can afford to pay their way.

[jason_c]

Well, your "clarification" is at least something of an improvement on the original version about the "black sections of this country" ****ing off back to Africa and Jamaica.

But really I don't think I've heard anyone expressing the view you're trying to stuff into the mouth of liberal intellectuals. The only person I've heard come anywhere near saying that is Colonel Gaddafi, and he's never struck me particularly as either a liberal or an intellectual...

John Prescott was doing his best to make this arguement the other night on Question Time.

[Chris]

Idiots. But not quite as idiotic as the liberal 'intellectuals' who will be busy at this very moment concocting a theory to the effect that law abiding citizens are to blame for depriving people of a flat screen tele.

Well, your "clarification" is at least something of an improvement on the original version about the "black sections of this country" ****ing off back to Africa and Jamaica.

But really I don't think I've heard anyone expressing the view you're trying to stuff into the mouth of liberal intellectuals. The only person I've heard come anywhere near saying that is Colonel Gaddafi, and he's never struck me particularly as either a liberal or an intellectual...

[Errata]

The use of strong absurdist hyperbole suggests suggests a complete lack of understanding of anything pertaining to the situation. It is neither helpful nor intelligent to make up a motivation to fits ones own jaundiced world view.

[Fleetwood Mac]

your comments are outrageous Fleetwood Mac.

the one thing that is oozes out from your posts is that you clearly equate Blacks with foreigners with your "ship them back" mentality. Colour does not equate to Nationality.

The rioters (the vast majority) are British citizens. There are Black British and Black White doing the rioting as has already been pointed out. What about the Student riots. they were a great majority of Whites as well as in White areas. Why do you want ship British citizens to other countries? do you advocate setting up another penal colony in a far off land where we can overrun the natives and leave our undesirables in their place much like Australia?

Also what about the Sikh's and Muslims who are working hard tonight to save their communities in the area's of London they live? ship those potential terrorist scum back as well?

Yes, there are a minority of white youths rioting. The vast majority are black. BLACK. Is that how far this country has gone? When the vast majority of people breaking the law in this particular instance are black, we have to say: "well, some are black; some aren't". Dear god.

What about the student riots? Ship that lot out as well. Sikhs and muslims? Any of them breaking the law should be shipped out as well.

Penal colony sounds good to me.

This isn't about race or religion. It's about sorting out a problem in our society. That being: it's always someone else's fault isn't it and this attitude gives carte blanche to every social misfit and his dog.

If it helps to clarify the situation, if people don't think they're getting a fair crack of the whip then just go somewhere else - whatever race you are - why hang around moaning and smashing the place up?

Idiots. But not quite as idiotic as the liberal 'intellectuals' who will be busy at this very moment concocting a theory to the effect that law abiding citizens are to blame for depriving people of a flat screen tele.

[Sister Hyde]

Since Cameron has taken some flak on this thread, I thought I'd post this to cheer him up. Note Sherlock Holmes's landlady in charge of old jalopy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbajf_rHzys

next time I take the bus in London i'll ask for a cup of tea and say they hve to cause I saw it in a movie. now if you wanna cheer him up, send him the holiday pictures of jacques chirac from the fort of Brigançon some years ago

[Robert]

Since Cameron has taken some flak on this thread, I thought I'd post this to cheer him up. Note Sherlock Holmes's landlady in charge of old jalopy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbajf_rHzys

[Sister Hyde]

Actually, Sister, Cameron has now come up with a rather wily plan to meet the teenagers half way AND keep the streets safe. He is going to legalise rioting...provided it takes place at 9 AM sharp.

once again, vain attempts... are uk politics like cats or so??? when they piss on your carpet you can put their head into it they'll still deny?? beside I can't riot at 9 A.M.!!! it's medication time!! he gotta pick another time!

[Robert]

Actually, Sister, Cameron has now come up with a rather wily plan to meet the teenagers half way AND keep the streets safe. He is going to legalise rioting...provided it takes place at 9 AM sharp.

[Sister Hyde]

Don't worry, Cameron is on top of the riot situation and his phone is always by his side....at least, it was by his side. Who's pinched that, then?....

lemme guess. the maid, and she couldn't speak english??

[Robert]

Don't worry, Cameron is on top of the riot situation and his phone is always by his side....at least, it was by his side. Who's pinched that, then?....