May: I Will Rip Up Human Rights Laws To Fight Terrorism

[jason_c]

one bit of fantastic irony now: The Tories got 13 seats in Scotland (previously 1), but it was the Tories who recently introduced legislation to block Scotish MPs from voting on English-only matters. So this means, for English-only legislation, a Tory/DUP government would not have an automatic majority

#owngoal #whowouldhavethought

Im not sure this is true. The same English only legislation surely removes the 40 odd other Scottish MP's from the vote?

[andy1867]

Surely it would only mean that if the DUP were under the same restriction, it seems not
Still could be an own goal though , looking at the DUP's record of statements

[Svensson]

one bit of fantastic irony now: The Tories got 13 seats in Scotland (previously 1), but it was the Tories who recently introduced legislation to block Scotish MPs from voting on English-only matters. So this means, for English-only legislation, a Tory/DUP government would not have an automatic majority

#owngoal #whowouldhavethought

[Svensson]

And when you're in that sort of position, it doesn't really matter what you say you'll do.

Exactly. He's the definition of a free-wheeler.

[GUT]

Then again, he represents a party who have won zero seats (out of 650) in last night's election.

And when you're in that sort of position, it doesn't really matter what you say you'll do.

[GUT]

And it looks like you have no need to worry about what Ms May might have planned.

[Svensson]

I daresay there is, if the readers' comments on the Daily Mail website are anything to go by.

Then again, he represents a party who have won zero seats (out of 650) in last night's election.

Actually, I have just listened to the election results on BBC London for the last 45 minutes while driving in to work. There was not a single mention of Terrorism in the analysis of what can only be considered a disaster for Theresa May. The themes were her perceived arrogance during the election campaign, "Hard Brexit" vs. "Soft Brexit", Austerity and Labour actually coming up with some pretty popular policies such as re-nationalising the railways (Corbyn's perceived weakness as a Leader notwithstanding).

Brexit negotiations with the EU start in 10 day's time. She can't turn up in Brussels with this election result; it would completely undermine her negotiating positions from the moment she walks through the door. My only fear is that Bumbling-Boris will make another dash for the Tory party leadership. Then it will be our turn for having a joke leader in the world.

[GUT]

I think they're on the list because they have been violent, i.e. they have "previous" for actually committing acts of hooliganism. The difference between listed football hooligans and the terrorists is that most of the latter are "first offenders" only at the point at which they commit their atrocities.

I do sympathise with your point, however.

Yep somewhat different.

I'm dead set against locking someone up on suspicion.

[Sam Flynn]

Is there any real support for Farage's approach?

I daresay there is, if the readers' comments on the Daily Mail website are anything to go by.

[Sam Flynn]

Its worrying that English football hooligans who are "On the list" can't travel abroad, but I understand it, because some of them have the potential to be violent...

I think they're on the list because they have been violent, i.e. they have "previous" for actually committing acts of hooliganism. The difference between listed football hooligans and the terrorists is that most of the latter are "first offenders" only at the point at which they commit their atrocities.

I do sympathise with your point, however.

[Pcdunn]

Lol, just checking...

Lets be honest..If it horrified Fox news....................?

Yeah, that's what I thought too, but these days you can't tell just where people will draw the line. The whole Fox News department has had a rough year so far, too. Thanks, Andy.

[andy1867]

I read that Nigel Farage said in an interview on the conservative talk show ""Fox and Friends" that British Muslims should be "rounded up" and put in "internment camps" until the terror threat is over.

This prompted the host to disavow the idea during his program, and the Fox network to issue a stronger disavowal of that "distasteful and reprehensible" idea. (After all, Roosevelt tried that during World War II with the so-called "relocation camps" for Japanese and Japanese-Americans citizens, and it was bad idea then.)

Is there any real support for Farage's approach?

Lets be honest..If it horrified Fox news....................?

[Pcdunn]

I read that Nigel Farage said in an interview on the conservative talk show ""Fox and Friends" that British Muslims should be "rounded up" and put in "internment camps" until the terror threat is over.

This prompted the host to disavow the idea during his program, and the Fox network to issue a stronger disavowal of that "distasteful and reprehensible" idea. (After all, Roosevelt tried that during World War II with the so-called "relocation camps" for Japanese and Japanese-Americans citizens, and it was bad idea then.)

Is there any real support for Farage's approach?

[andy1867]

I think tomorrow's election is not a foregone conclusion as it might have seemed just a month ago. May called the election in increase her majority of 12 for whatever reason (that's not a bad majority to work with as long as you have your own party on your side, see Trump for examples where this is not the case) and to effectively bury Labour. Thing is: if she reduces her majority or even if it ends up a hung parliament, she is most likely a goner and we will have another leadership election from Friday onwards. So Corbyn doesn't even have to win to expedite her retirement. Her refusal to fire back at Trump over his spat with Sadiq Khan (a meek "The London Mayor is doing a good job" won't do here) and the Tory's continued insistence on giving Trump his state visit will have cost her more percentage points.

Quick question for those with longer memories: During the height of Irish Republican terrorism in the UK during the 70s and 80s, which cost around 1800 innocent lives, was there ever any talk about reducing human rights in order to fight this?

Cheers.

It depends on what you see as a "Curtailment of civil liberties" or "Reduction of human rights"
I followed football in the 80's...I still do...I thought it infringed my human rights when I wasn't allowed in pubs around Shepherds Bush when Wednesday played QPR, was fuming when held in a line for half an hour by police on Wood lane....I didn't actually feel the same anger when escorted down Cold blow lane on a wet Tuesday night over the cobbles surrounded by London coppers.
Its a matter of your own safety at times isn't it?
To me..its now a matter of your own safety, and if you want everything "Safe and sound", theres sometimes a price to pay.
Its worrying that English football hooligans who are "On the list" can't travel abroad, but I understand it, because some of them have the potential to be violent...So when it comes to potential terrorists who are "On the list" but shuttle from Syria to Sussex, Damascus to Dagenham..Its a bit ridiculous isn't it?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Too many concessions have already been given to religious extremists. What would we have thought just 5 or 10 years ago if someone had have told us that there were 85+ Sharia courts openly in operation in this country?! No one bats any eyelid! We've long since past further than the 'thin end of the wedge.' People are afraid to speak about their concerns or anger for fear of being branded with the made up 'illness' Islamophobia.

I'm utterly pessimistic about the future I'm afraid and my sympathy goes out to anyone with children or grandchildren. I hope that things change but it needs courage of thought, speech and actions and I see very little of it at the moment. Especially in the public sphere.

Regards
Herlock