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Originally posted by moste View PostThank you for that Mr. Houses.
Bob was quite cautious and restraining of himself I thought ,being in the Hanratty corner , not to overly trash the DNA methods used, the so called defence expert present at the testing,or , that such tiny amounts of material were available whereby an additional test could not be performed.
I suppose time was a factor on the show, also he was dealing with people I think he thought didn't have a good handle on the case.Still he got some airtime.
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Thank you for that Mr. Houses.
Bob was quite cautious and restraining of himself I thought ,being in the Hanratty corner , not to overly trash the DNA methods used, the so called defence expert present at the testing,or , that such tiny amounts of material were available whereby an additional test could not be performed.
I suppose time was a factor on the show, also he was dealing with people I think he thought didn't have a good handle on the case.Still he got some airtime.
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Zero forensics found in the back seat of the car.
Graham
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Originally posted by moste View PostFor Bob Woffinden to make such a profound statement to Michael,he had to know something seriously important that has yet to raise its head.
That something I would proffer would almost certainly be ,the DNA issue.
My understanding,of DNA.regarding the sensitivity of the stuff, and the requirements governing the handling,protection, and storing of same, is such that I for one( and probably Woffinden as another)believe the exhibits that were relied on to produce anything in the form of readable material for DNA matching, would have been completely useless.
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Originally posted by Graham View PostOoh yes, I recall that well, but I was wondering if perhaps Moste had updated his extremely well-thought out and lavishly researched scenario, as I hang on to his every word...................
Graham
Zero forensics found in the back seat of the car.Hair,Fiber,fingerprints,seeds,corn debris, from the field,from a third party.
Is it possible that the true story may have involved MG arranging to meet with someone,for purposes that involved skulduggery, at the predetermined location near Clophill? Or alternatively,were the couple on a dummy run ,(the all night runs that Valerie loved so much) for the rally they were planning for the weekend,and possibly followed to that spot in Bedfordshire. If as Det. Super. Mathews suggests,more than one person was involved,the murderer may have been driven there,and left at that lay-by to perform his dastardly deed.After which he drives back eventually to Redbridge,wearing one of the latest plastic boiler suits, complete with rubber buttons,and leaves no, or very little evidence of ever having been in the vehicle,nothing that 1960s forensics would find anyhow.Could MGs brother in law have known of this latest venture at the weekend by the lovers,via his heart throb Janet?
All of the above would satisfy (a) why no one saw anyone that night around the corn field (b) why there was no evidence of a third person in the back seat,(c) why no taxi drivers came forward with info.about a fare.(d) Why the people of Dorney were surprised, as were the press, that police presence was very scarce considering this was supposedly the starting point of this crime(locals were not interviewed for some weeks!)(e)how Alphon came into a large sum of money after the murder,could he have been the the shooter, maybe Hanratty the driver to Deadmans hill. And far too many more questions that this scenario would answer,to fit in one post.
By the By
Did anybody have any comments on the notion that it was an extremely coincidental plan they had come up with, for the following weekends 'particularly arduous 80 mile round trip' through the Chilterns? The Chilterns pass by where I lived in the 90s forming the Dunstable downs, and peter out near Barton-Le- Clay just a couple of miles shy of Clophill. I mean call me suspicious but.....
Awesome ! What a highly possible series of events.
Could be tweeked a trifle, but something along these lines, is what I had in mind.
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The 'real truth' was revealed on this forum over two years ago.
Graham
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Originally posted by Graham View PostAnd the 'real truth' was...............................?
Graham
Originally posted by moste View PostZero forensics found in the back seat of the car.Hair,Fiber,fingerprints,seeds,corn debris, from the field,from a third party.
Is it possible that the true story may have involved MG arranging to meet with someone,for purposes that involved skulduggery, at the predetermined location near Clophill? Or alternatively,were the couple on a dummy run ,(the all night runs that Valerie loved so much) for the rally they were planning for the weekend,and possibly followed to that spot in Bedfordshire. If as Det. Super. Mathews suggests,more than one person was involved,the murderer may have been driven there,and left at that lay-by to perform his dastardly deed.After which he drives back eventually to Redbridge,wearing one of the latest plastic boiler suits, complete with rubber buttons,and leaves no, or very little evidence of ever having been in the vehicle,nothing that 1960s forensics would find anyhow.Could MGs brother in law have known of this latest venture at the weekend by the lovers,via his heart throb Janet?
All of the above would satisfy (a) why no one saw anyone that night around the corn field (b) why there was no evidence of a third person in the back seat,(c) why no taxi drivers came forward with info.about a fare.(d) Why the people of Dorney were surprised, as were the press, that police presence was very scarce considering this was supposedly the starting point of this crime(locals were not interviewed for some weeks!)(e)how Alphon came into a large sum of money after the murder,could he have been the the shooter, maybe Hanratty the driver to Deadmans hill. And far too many more questions that this scenario would answer,to fit in one post.
By the By
Did anybody have any comments on the notion that it was an extremely coincidental plan they had come up with, for the following weekends 'particularly arduous 80 mile round trip' through the Chilterns? The Chilterns pass by where I lived in the 90s forming the Dunstable downs, and peter out near Barton-Le- Clay just a couple of miles shy of Clophill. I mean call me suspicious but.....
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The real truth of Gregstens assassination was never going to be allowed to be made av
The real truth of Gregstens assassination was never going to be allowed to be made available to the general public, was it?
Graham
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Originally posted by NickB View PostBut the Court of Appeal has not shrunk from quashing convictions for people who have been hanged for murder. For example ...
George Kelly
Derek Bentley
Mahmood Mattan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/59551.stm
Incidentally , some people on this forum,believed Hanratty to be entirely innocent of this crime prior to the dna gong show. Now they tear into every aspect of Hanratty's case screaming guilty at each and every detail of his defence.Reading posters comments from 2008 it's easy to become frustrated by the apparent hypocracy of modern posts!@
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Originally posted by moste View PostThe powers that be,spent an inaudinate amount of time money and effort to finally get this monkey off their backs
George Kelly
Derek Bentley
Mahmood Mattan
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Originally posted by Graham View PostBut does any DNA evidence still exist? As his book was first published in 1997, surely if Bob was seriously interested in pursuing the DNA aspects of the case, he'd have done it by now rather than let it go cold - which it has done.
So when was this meeting at Bindman's? Do you know?
Graham
For Bob Woffinden to make such a profound statement to Michael,he had to know something seriously important that has yet to raise its head.
That something I would proffer would almost certainly be ,the DNA issue.
My understanding,of DNA.regarding the sensitivity of the stuff, and the requirements governing the handling,protection, and storing of same, is such that I for one( and probably Woffinden as another)believe the exhibits that were relied on to produce anything in the form of readable material for DNA matching, would have been completely useless.
It could well be that Bob finally had proof of this . Can his son take up the campaign ?
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Michael thinks this planned update of Bobs would have covered the DNA aspects of the case.
So when was this meeting at Bindman's? Do you know?
Graham
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Originally posted by moste View PostHi SH . As time goes by, hopefully there is someone who had been close to Bob,
may be capable enough to continue on with his project, and complete his endeavours of a follow up book. A book I might add held as mere fantasy, by the doubters of Hanratty’s innocence.
Michael thinks this planned update of Bobs would have covered the DNA aspects of the case. Bob was utterly convinced of Jimmy Hanrattys innocence and when he last bumped into Michael socially [I think at Bindmans] he grabbed hold of Michaels arm and said "Im going to prove your brother was completely innocent of the A6 murder."
PS. Sorry about any missing apostrophes, that particular key on my laptop no longer works.
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