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  • I just had 2 books arrive and one was Bella: An Unsolved Murder by Joyce M Coley. Only 26 pages long.
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    Sir Herlock Sholmes

    “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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    • The Coley book adds nothing new as expected. At least I only paid 4 for it.

      It adds one story of an old man who said that Bella used to sing in his parents pub and another one in town. She disappeared without warning after becoming friendly with the man’s mother (who’d given her a pair of shoes because her own were full of holes) The storyteller said that he didn’t like the look of the man that lived with her.

      Theres also a photograph of Bob Hart, one of the boys that found Bella, as an adult.

      ......

      The other book, that I’m about to begin, is The Case That Foiled Fabian, about the murder of Charles Walton which has been linked by some to the Bella case. Although any contention by McCormick doesn’t overwhelm you with confidence.
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      Sir Herlock Sholmes

      “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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      • Hello. I have never heard of this case, but it is interesting. I looked up the Wikipedia entry on "who put Bella in the Wych Elm?" and the theories are all fairly wild.

        I wonder if the graffiti was written by one of the youths who had discovered the woman's body?
        Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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        • MJ Trow has a book out next year on the case.

          https://www.fantasticfiction.com/t/m...ood-murder.htm
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          Sir Herlock Sholmes

          “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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          • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
            MJ Trow has a book out next year on the case.

            https://www.fantasticfiction.com/t/m...ood-murder.htm
            I'd love to read a full book dedicated to the case, but I'm wary about shelling out £20 on a book that hints at Nazi spies on the cover.

            Was it MJ Trow that came up with the Robert Mann theory?
            Thems the Vagaries.....

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            • Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

              I'd love to read a full book dedicated to the case, but I'm wary about shelling out £20 on a book that hints at Nazi spies on the cover.

              Was it MJ Trow that came up with the Robert Mann theory?
              Yeah, that’s the guy Al. He wrote a book on the Torso murders too. And Cleopatra and The Princes In The Tower and Vampires and Spartacus. I looked on his website and I make this his 107th book though that’s positively lazy compared to Barbara Cartland’s 723 (no, I haven’t read her books I had to Google that fact before you say it)

              Regards

              Sir Herlock Sholmes

              “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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              • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                Yeah, that’s the guy Al. He wrote a book on the Torso murders too. And Cleopatra and The Princes In The Tower and Vampires and Spartacus. I looked on his website and I make this his 107th book though that’s positively lazy compared to Barbara Cartland’s 723 (no, I haven’t read her books I had to Google that fact before you say it)
                In that case I'll hang on to my money for a bit. Who knows, it might be a decent read, but he's a Jack of all trades...
                Thems the Vagaries.....

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                • Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

                  In that case I'll hang on to my money for a bit. Who knows, it might be a decent read, but he's a Jack of all trades...
                  What you mean is…..you’ll wait til after I’ve bought it.
                  Regards

                  Sir Herlock Sholmes

                  “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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                  • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                    What you mean is…..you’ll wait til after I’ve bought it.
                    Thems the Vagaries.....

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                    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                      MJ Trow has a book out next year on the case.

                      https://www.fantasticfiction.com/t/m...ood-murder.htm
                      The blurb refers to "the world's oldest profession and the world's oldest crime!" Can we conclude the crime is murder, and that the victim was a prostitute?

                      So maybe not a German spy, exactly...
                      Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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                      • Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post

                        The blurb refers to "the world's oldest profession and the world's oldest crime!" Can we conclude the crime is murder, and that the victim was a prostitute?

                        So maybe not a German spy, exactly...
                        Yes, it’s quite a well known crime over here Pat. Some boys found a skull in a tree in 1943. Later the whole skeleton was found and it was reckoned that the body had been there for 18 months or so. The woman was never identified but what made the case live on so to speak was that in 1944 in the local town, Birmingham, a chalked graffiti on a wall appeared which said Who Put Bella Down The Witch Elm - Hagley Wood. Other similar messages also appeared and since the 1970’s a message of this kind has been chalked on the Hagley obelisk. Theories have been put forward but still no one knows who ‘Bella’ was, if that was actually her name.

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_...e%2C%20England.
                        Regards

                        Sir Herlock Sholmes

                        “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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                        • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                          MJ Trow has a book out next year on the case.

                          https://www.fantasticfiction.com/t/m...ood-murder.htm
                          save your money
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post

                            The blurb refers to "the world's oldest profession and the world's oldest crime!" Can we conclude the crime is murder, and that the victim was a prostitute?

                            So maybe not a German spy, exactly...
                            no. the simplest explanation is usually the right one.. an unfortunate prostitute killed by a "customer". however, whoever killed her must have known about that hollow tree. i would have looked very closely at everyone associated with that estate.
                            "Is all that we see or seem
                            but a dream within a dream?"

                            -Edgar Allan Poe


                            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                            -Frederick G. Abberline

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                            • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                              no. the simplest explanation is usually the right one.. an unfortunate prostitute killed by a "customer". however, whoever killed her must have known about that hollow tree. i would have looked very closely at everyone associated with that estate.
                              Here's an interesting article that suggests a possible link with the German spy Josef Jakobs

                              https://josefjakobs.info/facts-of-bella-in-the-wych-elm

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                              • Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post

                                Here's an interesting article that suggests a possible link with the German spy Josef Jakobs

                                https://josefjakobs.info/facts-of-bella-in-the-wych-elm

                                Cheers Barn,

                                The problem is that Clara had normal looking teeth.

                                https://www.google.com/search?q=clar...NUeWTdi39leM6M
                                Regards

                                Sir Herlock Sholmes

                                “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”

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