Who Killed Julia Wallace? - New Evidence

[WallaceWackedHer]

I don’t know where Rod got it from but he’s been interested in the case for years. It’s difficult to see how a 4th part would fit in as the culmination appears to be part 3 (I’m not saying that Josh is mistaken though, he could be right.)

Good luck tomorrow. I certainly take my hat off to you the way you’ve immersed yourself in the case and the effort that you’re putting in. I won’t feel so bad if I eventually have to admit to have gotten it wrong. It’s still Wallace alone for me though.

I've argued in favour of so many theories now, if I'm wrong I'm sure I can find some old thread to save my pride LOL.

Unless it's something REALLY weird like Beattie purposefully changing details of what Qualtrough told him, and then going to Wallace's pad. Like it'd have to be really out there to be something I never considered.

Odds are fairly good you're right. Murphy came to the conclusion you did when seeing them... But personally I'm expecting even if Wallace killed her, Parry called. Or Johnstons killed her. Or Parry's alibi falls to pieces.

I'm just getting showered now. Gonna take my charger there.

I'll make a new thread tbh coz I mean, there's no denying a thread with the FULL files posted should have that in the first few posts to avoid getting lost. Everyone should have easy and full access.

Wish me luck y'all. It's been super fun trynna solve this riddle.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I don't know about what Rod uploaded, but Josh believes the original radio broadcast was 4 parts. He said the other part contains crucial information. Maybe Rod only uploaded 3 parts (if so, I would imagine to protect some detail he doesn't want people to know since it would down his idea more?). Do you know how Rod got this broadcast to begin with? If you do, maybe I can get it the same way and get all 4 parts if there are indeed 4 parts.

Tomorrow I will be viewing the files anyway.

I doubt it's going to outright say "this is what happened", but I will turn it upside down front to back, and publicly post every single thing in those files. If my phone runs out of battery I will rage, and have to make a second trip. This will indeed be the biggest evidence drop in the history of the case.

As a preliminary guess, if there IS some solution imprinted right there, I'm anticipating one of four things:

Wallace killed his wife solo and he did in fact have a genuine Liverpool-sounding accent.
Parry's alibi for the murder turns out to be bullshit somehow, and he murdered Julia.
Amy or Amy/Wallace are involved directly in her murder in some way.
The Anfield housebreaker murdered Julia, possibly without actually knowing there was a telephone call at all.

I know there should definitely be Amy info in there, because of the strange witness who went on about her for years, but whose testimonies have not been publicized apart from a mention in one of the books I have.

As to whether it turns out the call is unrelated, I'm gonna hedge my bets at 50/50. I think it's probably unrelated so that doesn't make sense, but some of the plausible scenarios do involve it being related (e.g. if it says Parry's Brine alibi fell apart or some ****).

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I'm also anticipating the possibility there will be "inadmissable" evidence that we never saw because it was not allowed in court, and that this evidence will be CRUCIAL. I don't think there will be any outright confession because if there was, I think Gannon or someone would have mentioned it.

I don’t know where Rod got it from but he’s been interested in the case for years. It’s difficult to see how a 4th part would fit in as the culmination appears to be part 3 (I’m not saying that Josh is mistaken though, he could be right.)

Good luck tomorrow. I certainly take my hat off to you the way you’ve immersed yourself in the case and the effort that you’re putting in. I won’t feel so bad if I eventually have to admit to have gotten it wrong. It’s still Wallace alone for me though.

[WallaceWackedHer]

It would be the "inadmissible evidence" I would be interested in

Definitely! I forgot to mention I also do anticipate the solution that Parry knowingly called on Wallace's orders (Waterhouse's solution). Just putting that out there in case that's what it is.

Gannon's book is definitely the most comprehensive and he seems to think Marsden did it. But as far as I know he saw the police files, which have been heavily pruned to save space. I might get more on Marsden here, as this is the DPP file used by Murphy.

If it's anything else I'd be surprised. If Gannon's right I'm gonna guess Wallace's sexuality is behind it, rather than oldass Julia sleeping with Parry.

My main pick as the solution is Parry calling, Wallace killing her. On roughly equal ground, I'm gonna go Johnstons (my avatar hehe) killing her and Parry calling - the call likely being only accidentally related in that case.

[Ven]

It would be the "inadmissible evidence" I would be interested in

[WallaceWackedHer]

I’ve never heard of a part 4? I saved these when Rod posted them. I’m 99.9% certain there were only 3. Is Josh certain that there were 4?

I don't know about what Rod uploaded, but Josh believes the original radio broadcast was 4 parts. He said the other part contains crucial information. Maybe Rod only uploaded 3 parts (if so, I would imagine to protect some detail he doesn't want people to know since it would down his idea more?). Do you know how Rod got this broadcast to begin with? If you do, maybe I can get it the same way and get all 4 parts if there are indeed 4 parts.

Tomorrow I will be viewing the files anyway.

I doubt it's going to outright say "this is what happened", but I will turn it upside down front to back, and publicly post every single thing in those files. If my phone runs out of battery I will rage, and have to make a second trip. This will indeed be the biggest evidence drop in the history of the case.

As a preliminary guess, if there IS some solution imprinted right there, I'm anticipating one of four things:

Wallace killed his wife solo and he did in fact have a genuine Liverpool-sounding accent.
Parry's alibi for the murder turns out to be bullshit somehow, and he murdered Julia.
Amy or Amy/Wallace are involved directly in her murder in some way.
The Anfield housebreaker murdered Julia, possibly without actually knowing there was a telephone call at all.

I know there should definitely be Amy info in there, because of the strange witness who went on about her for years, but whose testimonies have not been publicized apart from a mention in one of the books I have.

As to whether it turns out the call is unrelated, I'm gonna hedge my bets at 50/50. I think it's probably unrelated so that doesn't make sense, but some of the plausible scenarios do involve it being related (e.g. if it says Parry's Brine alibi fell apart or some ****).

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I'm also anticipating the possibility there will be "inadmissable" evidence that we never saw because it was not allowed in court, and that this evidence will be CRUCIAL. I don't think there will be any outright confession because if there was, I think Gannon or someone would have mentioned it.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ve never heard of a part 4? I saved these when Rod posted them. I’m 99.9% certain there were only 3. Is Josh certain that there were 4?

[WallaceWackedHer]

I did post a link to the radio shows in an earlier post. Didn’t they work?




'Who killed Julia? - Part 1'

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wPn...ew?usp=sharing

'Who killed Julia? - Part 2 - a tale of two suspects' https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fCc...ew?usp=sharing __________________

'Who killed Julia? - Conspiracy of Silence' https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G4j...ew?usp=sharing __________________

Does this work?

Josh just informed me there's a part missing (there should be 4 parts), do you have that one by any chance?

[WallaceWackedHer]

I did post a link to the radio shows in an earlier post. Didn’t they work?




'Who killed Julia? - Part 1'

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wPn...ew?usp=sharing

'Who killed Julia? - Part 2 - a tale of two suspects' https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fCc...ew?usp=sharing __________________

'Who killed Julia? - Conspiracy of Silence' https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G4j...ew?usp=sharing __________________

Does this work?

Great job, thank you. I haven't ever heard that before in my life. Some of the details on this are different to what's in books so that's interesting (here they say Parry said Julia accompanied him on piano, in books they say he claimed violin - which was Wallace's instrument).

[Herlock Sholmes]

It's just Radio City chatter as far as I'm aware. Parkes didn't think Parry had placed a prank call, he was trying to suggest Parry had called to get Wallace out so he could rob the house, so he's not angling to prove some sort of prank call idea. I'm also not 100% sure it was Parkes who made that comment... When Rod got utterly humiliated and owned by everyone pointing out that his idea is autismal, he deleted the entire Radio City recording out of spite, so I've never heard it. Just what Josh has told me.

I did post a link to the radio shows in an earlier post. Didn’t they work?




'Who killed Julia? - Part 1'

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wPn...ew?usp=sharing

'Who killed Julia? - Part 2 - a tale of two suspects' https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fCc...ew?usp=sharing __________________

'Who killed Julia? - Conspiracy of Silence' https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G4j...ew?usp=sharing __________________

Does this work?

[moste]

I’m not at home so again I don’t have any books with me so.... I can’t recall but is there any other source for the idea that a Parry was in the habit of making prank phone calls apart from Parkes?

Quite right H S . I believe Park’s to be the chief, if not only accuser of pranky Parry.

[WallaceWackedHer]

I’m not at home so again I don’t have any books with me so.... I can’t recall but is there any other source for the idea that a Parry was in the habit of making prank phone calls apart from Parkes?

It's just Radio City chatter as far as I'm aware. Parkes didn't think Parry had placed a prank call, he was trying to suggest Parry had called to get Wallace out so he could rob the house, so he's not angling to prove some sort of prank call idea. I'm also not 100% sure it was Parkes who made that comment... When Rod got utterly humiliated and owned by everyone pointing out that his idea is autismal, he deleted the entire Radio City recording out of spite, so I've never heard it. Just what Josh has told me.

[WallaceWackedHer]

I very strongly doubt Parks’ word because I carefully listened to everything he had to say in the Liverpool radio station interviews.(isn’t this where we got the notion ,’Parry liked playing Pranks?)
As for the boy Close . I hope I understand children,having raised seven of my own, , I can assure you , even if this kid was something of a know-all,
cheeky little so and so, initially, under police interviews and questioning he would be nervous and seriously trying to get stuff right. After a time when he became relaxed with the involvement and apparent protocol of the courtroom, he may become more cocky and indifferent to his surroundings. However initially when being interviewed I believe his times given for his visit to Wolverton , could be relied on.

Yes it was callers on the Radio City program. I don't know if it was Parkes though, who made that particular comment. I know there were several people who alleged they had worked at the garage and commented on Parry etc.

I'm afraid I have little faith in Alan who seemed to treat the whole process like a big joke right from the start (skipping and singing he's the missing link just before he'd gone to the police, for example). He's not credible at all. I do think he might be telling the truth of course, but his behavior does not lend him much credibility, and if enough evidence stacks up to contradict him, I'd be tempted to call BS. You'd think if something important like that had happened, he would have revealed it to his parents rather quickly.

I don't think entries written in his personal diary after his acquittal are fake. I really don't see why it's so difficult to believe he might have had some fondness for the woman he had at least initially been in love with and married, and perhaps felt a level of remorse if he had killed her. It's hardly a stretch.

[moste]

Nup... entries seeming genuine,,, you've been fooled... like many of us at times.

To place an ad hoc prank call with perfect timing, name and address...nup. And "How often" did he do it... it was said he did it but really... how often?

Absolutely. After the fact, any entries made in a diary by a murderer, would be totally unreliable.In fact any entries made previous to the crime could be sending red herring messages ,if we're-talking cunning planner and plotter, of which I believe Wallace was ace.

[moste]

That doesn't make sense. That is exactly the type of thing kids do. How can people doubt adult Lily Hall and Parkes, yet take this child's words as gospel? Why didn't he tell his parents? Why was this a sudden revelation he made only when among other young kids? And then his reluctance to go to the police until forced to by the other children he had told.

What about his behavior in court? He fell asleep and kept giggling throughout proceedings and even on the stand, causing Roland Oliver to admonish him. Does that sound like a reliable witness to you?

The line taken about the address and so on is the same faulty one taken by the prosecution.

What is Wallace's motive? To get away with murder or to frame Parry? If it's the latter how does he know he's going to be gifted a frauded alibi by Parry? He doesn't need to be out for ages and ages. The motive is to get away with murder I suppose, so narrowing the suspect pool just makes it more likely you'll get caught.

He didn't place the call, Gordon Parry did. Wallace killed Julia the next day, due to an affair with Amy. I really think that's the solution, or something very much like it... He's not a criminal mastermind, the guy doesn't even know what year it is (he dates Munro letters 1930), let alone have the mental capacity to plan the most elaborate crime in the history of the world.

What's not the solution is Wallace placing a call to himself. It's not supported by evidence. The voice is wrong, the accent is wrong, the timing is wrong (lest he needlessly lied about his route). The caller used his real voice to the operators, and put on a funny voice when he got through to the cafe. The real voice had a Liverpool accent while William is from Yorkshire.

As two separate incidents, the call with no crime strongly points to Gordon Parry as the culprit. The crime with no call strongly points to Wallace as the culprit. Because that's probably legitimately the case.

I very strongly doubt Parks’ word because I carefully listened to everything he had to say in the Liverpool radio station interviews.(isn’t this where we got the notion ,’Parry liked playing Pranks?)
As for the boy Close . I hope I understand children,having raised seven of my own, , I can assure you , even if this kid was something of a know-all,
cheeky little so and so, initially, under police interviews and questioning he would be nervous and seriously trying to get stuff right. After a time when he became relaxed with the involvement and apparent protocol of the courtroom, he may become more cocky and indifferent to his surroundings. However initially when being interviewed I believe his times given for his visit to Wolverton , could be relied on.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’m not at home so again I don’t have any books with me so.... I can’t recall but is there any other source for the idea that a Parry was in the habit of making prank phone calls apart from Parkes?