JonBenet Ramsey Update

[Roy Corduroy]

I agree with Judge Carnes because she looked at the evidence.

Carnes' order also lists a series of largely uncontested facts that suggest an intruder entered the Ramsey home and murdered JonBenét. Among them:

• At least seven windows and a door in the Ramsey home were found open or unlocked after JonBenét disappeared. The alarm was off and windows were accessible from the ground level, including three that opened into the basement.

• Evidence suggested that an intruder climbed through a basement window and walked through the room where JonBenét was found.

• JonBenét's body was bound with complicated rope slipknots and a garrote that the order described as "sophisticated bondage devices" by someone "with an expertise in bondage." No evidence suggests the Ramseys knew how to tie such knots.

• Black duct tape found on JonBenét's mouth was never found in the Ramsey home, although evidence suggested "it came from a roll of tape that had been used before."

• Nothing in the Ramsey home matched dark animal hairs found on the duct tape and JonBenét's hands.

• Newly made, unidentified shoeprints, including one with a HI-TEC brand mark, were found on the basement floor. None of the Ramseys' shoes matched those prints.

• A palm print on the wine-cellar door where JonBenét's body was found does not match the Ramseys' palm prints and has never been identified.

• A baseball bat found outside the house with fibers consistent with fibers found on the carpet in the basement where JonBenét's body was found did not belong to the Ramseys.

• Brown cotton fibers found on JonBenét's body, the paintbrush used as a garrote, the duct tape and the ligature around her neck did not match anything in the Ramsey home.

• Male DNA found under JonBenét's fingernails and in her underwear does not match that of any Ramsey and has not been identified yet.

• A pubic hair found on the blanket covering JonBenét's body did not match that of any Ramsey.

• Injuries found on the child's body are consistent with the use of a stun gun, according to a forensic pathologist. The Ramseys swore they had never owned or operated a stun gun and none was found in their home.

And this was before the touch DNA test in 2008.

The Ramseys are eliminated as suspects by the physical evidence.

ps Jonathan our posts crossed. Yes I agree with you.

Roy

[Jonathan H]

The so-called circumstantial evidence against the Ramseys long ago was exposed as hopelessly flimsy -- and that is giving it too much credence. They have been officially cleared. Justice delayed, as they say, is not justice denied.

The image catastrophe for the tragic family was that the daughter was often done up like a child molester's delight due to a specific, old-fashioned, Southern sub-culture -- child pageants -- utterly alien and repugnant to the majority.

Another factor was that the Boulder police, inexperienced with homicides, did not thoroughly search the home on their first visit. They would have found the deceased little girl immediately. Failing to do this kept alive the killer's cruel 'prank' that it was a kidnapping/ransom crime when it wasn't.

The Ramseys did something which made legal sense -- especially when dealing with jittery, incompetent cops -- but which torpedoed their public reps; they refused to speak to police, without counsel. This gave the impression of something hideous to hide AND that arrogant rich murderers, eg. like OJ, were getting away with it yet again.

[Tom_Wescott]

And a jury cleared OJ Simpson and Lizzie Borden. Sorry, the evidence speaks far louder than a judge and a biased DA.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Roy Corduroy]

I agree with the federal judge who, upon reviewing the matter in 2003 in a defamation lawsuit, ruled there is no evidence the Ramseys commited the murder.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/ramsey.htm

The "new" development was 2008 when the DA officially cleared the Ramseys.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/download/2008/0709/16834100.pdf

Roy

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Tom!

I don't like to say it, but I agree with you about it; someone inside the family committed the murder!

All the best
Jukka

[cappuccina]

Wow! I actually completely agree with you, and your summary is succinct and polite...Amazing!

[Tom_Wescott]

The evidence is concrete that the murder was an inside job. The problem is that there were 3 people inside and no clear evidence to seperate one from the other two. You obviously can't convict them all, so that's why it was impossible to bring a charge against either or both Patsy and John. Personally, I'm satisfied that Patsy did it and John probably was none the wiser.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[nugnug]

i am glad they have stopped accusing the parents as far as i can see they had no reason to

[Suzi]

OK one less problem

Up she comes I say!!!- and then we can sort this one out finally-hopefully!

[Irelandsown37]

As I recall: Douglas was hired by the Ramseys so go figure. He's also the guy who said Kosminski was the Ripper and who couldn't pick out the Green River Killer when he was almost hiding under his nose. Profiling is usually a waste of time and sometimes a benefit to the killer, perhaps to the point of allowing him to commit more murders.

I couldn't agree more... I just finished this book and his work seems very odd. He claims he worked for the Ramsey's but wasn't paid for his services - I can see why he wasn't paid...

His theory that a group of teens killed JonBenet is absurd, and he claims the ransom note had references to Dirty Harry movies and the like. Ok, so a group of teens, with knowledge of Dirty Harry movies, broke into the house and killed JonBenet while her parents slept and heard nothing... we are to believe this? His book is far from convincing on all the cases he wrote about.

A couple of areas bother me on this mystery:

1) JonBenet's bedroom door was closed, as per the Ramsey's finding it that way, who would take the time to struggle & do this while carrying JonBenet in their arms?

2) JonBenet's necklace was apparently on top of the of the garrote around her neck... how did this happen... did the killer take time to do this so as not to damage the precious necklace?

3) Look closely at the picture of the suitcase under the basement window. Having been a very frequent traveller, from a young age, I have found suitcases to be very prone to falling over i.e. attempt to stand on one and it will likely flop to the left or right from the weight of your body - especially when empty, and that's assuming it doesn't collapse altogether under the weight.

4) The Ramsey's wanted Burke to leave and stay with friends during the commotion of the initial investigation. Doesn't this seem odd to anyone else in light of the claim that JonBenet was kidnapped? Would they really let Burke out of their sight? I find this to be very indicative that they may have known the truth all along.

5) In Detective Trujillo's book he claims the basement window was inspected and found the following:

a) cobwebs between the window well grate and the window well, indicating the grate hadn't been moved.
b) there was a layer of undisturbed dust on the window frame indicating no one had climbed through and disturbed the dust.

I'm not sure we'll ever know the truth, but I think another bedwetting incident, Patsy Ramsey, and an accidental death are all closer to the truth than a group of teenagers roaming through a house undetected by sleeping parents.

[sdreid]

As I recall: Douglas was hired by the Ramseys so go figure. He's also the guy who said Kosminski was the Ripper and who couldn't pick out the Green River Killer when he was almost hiding under his nose. Profiling is usually a waste of time and sometimes a benefit to the killer, perhaps to the point of allowing him to commit more murders.

[Steven Russell]

Secondly, I remember reading a book by an FBI profiler giving his assessment of several famous cases he hadn't been personally involved in. His take on Jack the Ripper was the same as mine- that it was an Eastender who has never been named. And his take on Jon Benet was that the ransom note to him had all the earmarks of what a gang of teenagers would throw together, a poor and immature attempt at acting adult. Sorry I don't recall the title or author's name.[/QUOTE]

The Cases That Haunt Us by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker seems to be the book you mention.

Best Wishes,

Steve.

[jimornot?]

----- I remember reading a book by an FBI profiler giving his assessment of several famous cases he hadn't been personally involved in. His take on Jack the Ripper was the same as mine- that it was an Eastender who has never been named. And his take on Jon Benet was that the ransom note to him had all the earmarks of what a gang of teenagers would throw together, a poor and immature attempt at acting adult. Sorry I don't recall the title or author's name.[/QUOTE]


Hi Kensei

The ransom note is a real oddity. Many experts (bit not all I think) feel it matched Patsy's handwriting. It seems odd that kids (presumably unconnected to the family) would know the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus but also odd that if the parents were the authors why they would create more suspicion by quoting that precise amount

Much argument has taken place about the behaviour of the parents after the crime and their peceived lack of co-operation in the invedtsigation. Likewise the (in)effectiveness of the enquiries by the Boulder police.

all the best

Viv

[amarti9]

Im sorry but I cant let go of the possibility her brother killed her and the Ramsey's covered it up to protect him.

Motive? The age old story of mommy loving and paying attention to the younger child more than the older one. Of course the older one starts to feel left out and rejected. I mean look what they did for her with all the dresses and classes and beauty pageants. If you are the older child how does this make you feel?

Im the oldest in my family and I had to suffer through this alot. My little brother and sister got away with murder and there would be times I would want to choke them because my parents ALWAYS took their sides and protected them.

Im just wondering how much of this could have played on his mind going through this and whether or not it pushed him over the edge.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello capuccina!

Well, if I'm quite honest, all the clues seem to point at the Ramseys!

Sad, but one has to be honest!

All the best
Jukka