Ripperologist 117

[lynn cates]

files

Hello Fiona. The files are rather bland, albeit expensive. I forwarded them to Chris Scott last summer to see if anything were of value. They are largely signatures of the Socialist League members (including Woolf Wess).

Are you serious about Nettlau? If he has an angle on this case, I feel confident that I can obtain those materials.

Which ancient language are we discussing here? I can do mediaeval Latin and a bit of Greek. Amongst all of us at Casebook, we can possibly find translators.

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

Sorry, Lynn.

[Fi Saint]

Thanks for that, Lynne. I understand that much of this is old ground, but what I hoped to bring to the party is the artist/anarchist aspect. such as the link between Harry Bates of 57 Bedford Gdns and Joules Dalou's anarchist ring in Paris.

I recall reading that you had copies of some of the files at the IISH in Amsterdam; I have reason to believe that the statement made to the Met in 1888 by 'Charles de la Ree Bott' (one line of which is quoted by Trevor Mariott in his book) was in fact made by Max Nettlau, and that Nettlau himself may have left clues to the murders in the archives. Again, this is something that requires the expertise of translators of ancient languages.

Best,
Fi

[lynn cates]

propaganda by deed

Hello Fiona. I read your article and am only too happy to discuss it.

Your notion that at least some of the WCM were results of the doctrine of "propaganda by deed" is a sound one, in my most humble opinion.

Reading Rudolph Rocker's "The London Years" I see many unmistakable parallels. Amongst others, there was a group of Arbeter Frainters who had plotted to kill Pyotr Kropotkin because his tactics were deemed too mild. Moreover, internal dissension in the group, at one point, caused one anarchist to be set upon in an alley and subsequently clubbed. (The doctor who treated him claimed his thick cap saved his life.)

I think that, ultimately, my hesitance with this theory is that:

1. Polly and Annie seem unconnected with C3-C5. My take is that they were killed by a lunatic who was subsequently incarcerated in the asylum. Knowing this would give carte blanche to whomever had a bone to pick with any lady whatsoever--provided she could be painted as a prostitute.

2. Liz and Kate's killings seem to have obvious Jewish/Anarchist implications. This lesson was not lost on Sir Charles who, in a missive of October 12, noted that the killings were obviously to implicate Jews, Socialists, or both.

3. Although the "Kelly" killing spawns difficult problems far above my puny neuronal synapsing powers, I would point out that it smells of Fenian/Clan na Gael/Land League involvement.

Still, your angle is worth pursuing.

Right now, I am searching for someone who reads Cyrillic script and who can search the voluminous correspondence which is the Okhrana files, archived at the Hoover Institution in Palo Alto California, at Stanford University.

Good luck on your further research and please, more great articles!

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to say, well, hi everyone, this is my first post, I wrote the article called Art & Anarchists: A Red Harvest? in the current issue and wondered if anyone has anything to say about any of the points raised in it, as I did hope that it might spark some discussion.. and further research. Some of it is old ground I know but it would be good to get a bit of feedback.

Cheers,
Fi

[corey123]

Hello Lynn, Maria,

No, not yet at least Thats my major, evil! Well, maybe it might be my minor.

[lynn cates]

evil

Hello Corey. No, we thought you had little experience with evil. In other words, you are not a seasoned veteran in that area.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Just the opposite, Corey!
(Still need to check my done conference paper before printing it, I can't believe my laziness! And the entire Europe's snowed in, which is cool. But the conference's still taking place tomorrow, even with delays...)

[corey123]

Hello Lynn, Maria,

Evil? Me?

[mariab]

The Grave Maurice wrote:
Since this thread seems to have gone to hell in a hand basket, I might as well join in. As I understand it, Mr Begg wanted to call the first edition of his book The Facts, but his publishers asked him to include "uncensored", presumably, in their opinion, to make it more marketable. By the time the second revised and enlarged edition came out, he seems, no doubt because of his increased reputation, to have had more clout with the publishers and, thereby, got to use his original title.
That's EXACTLY how I was imagining it!
Profound apologies for having effectively contributed to this thread having gone to hell in a basket, Grave Maurice.
By the by (yes! I'm a recidivist), I just had a look outside the window and the whole Berlin is covered in powder snow, looks like at least 4 inches. YESSSS! Hope to go riding with my pals next weekend – if it holds. Started early, this year. Plus, somehow I was feeling it, before seeing it. Felt kinda cold and sleepy all day, luxuriating in bed, and I invarably feel like this when the first snow hits us and covers up everything so cozy.

[The Grave Maurice]

Take the Facts by Paul Begg, they changed the title, with his consent of course, but he didn't want it changed. I think it was previously the uncensored facts. Or something along those lines.

Since this thread seems to have gone to hell in a hand basket, I might as well join in. As I understand it, Mr Begg wanted to call the first edition of his book The Facts, but his publishers asked him to include "uncensored", presumably, in their opinion, to make it more marketable. By the time the second revised and enlarged edition came out, he seems, no doubt because of his increased reputation, to have had more clout with the publishers and, thereby, got to use his original title.

On the other hand, I notice that he (or, perhaps, someone using his name) has joined our ranks, so he could answer for himself, were he so inclined.

[mariab]

Lynn,
please admit it, you're much too fond of latin.
Somehow I agree with you that Corey may not have enough empirical experience in the evil area.
My dedication to my paper on deadline's gone to hell in a basket. I swear I'm going back to it, in about 15'minutes...

[lynn cates]

Eduardo

Hello Tom. Yes, he's the one.

Actually, I am not fond of big words--I just like them precise and, as you point out, spelled correctly.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

dismiss

Hello Maria. Yes, that's "dismiss."

Corey? No, he may not have enough empirical experience in that area. (heh-heh) It was the Zinna (sp?) article. What a guy!

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Best of Rip is a neat little book, containing some very decent articles.

Wonder if a second book is in the pipeline.

Monty