Ripperologist 109

[Tom_Wescott]

Where's Ripperologist 110? I needs me some Hainsworth. No doubt Scott Nelson does as well. The free Christmas 'stocking stuffer' was very cool. Those illustrations were fantastic.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[ChrisGeorge]

I'm glad to see an article with a re-newed look at at Leather Apron. Most writers have assumed that this character could only refer to Pizer because of Sgt. Thick's declaration that he and LA were one and the same. I believe Martin Fido was the first to cast doubts that Pizer was LA in The Crimes, Detection & Death of JTR ,p. 210-214. Pizer, as far as is known, was never asked if knew Mickeldy Joe, the reported companion of Mr. Apron. Thick's testimony is suspect enough to cast doubts as to whether Leather Apron was really ever caught. If Pizer was queried about Mickeldy Joe, it would have been reported if he said he knew him. The fact that it wasn't suggests that either Pizer didn't know him, or he was never asked if he knew him. Thus there are lingering doubts about the "real" Leather Apron. Was he Jack the Ripper, as street prostitutes who were interviewed by the press, avowed?

Actually it has to be doubted if there ever was a "Leather Apron" who terrorized prostitutes, or whether it was a story souped up by Harry Dam or some other reporter. The fact that the name did not surface in the case until after Polly Nichols' murder is highly suspicious.

Chris

[Scott Nelson]

I'm glad to see an article with a re-newed look at at Leather Apron. Most writers have assumed that this character could only refer to Pizer because of Sgt. Thick's declaration that he and LA were one and the same. I believe Martin Fido was the first to cast doubts that Pizer was LA in The Crimes, Detection & Death of JTR ,p. 210-214. Pizer, as far as is known, was never asked if knew Mickeldy Joe, the reported companion of Mr. Apron. Thick's testimony is suspect enough to cast doubts as to whether Leather Apron was really ever caught. If Pizer was queried about Mickeldy Joe, it would have been reported if he said he knew him. The fact that it wasn't suggests that either Pizer didn't know him, or he was never asked if he knew him. Thus there are lingering doubts about the "real" Leather Apron. Was he Jack the Ripper, as street prostitutes who were interviewed by the press, avowed?

[Rob Clack]

What? their heads?


Yes, Hollands first name was Fred. And he lived near Swallow Gardens in 1891....could he be the mysterious City PC?*


Monty


* That'll draw em in Rob.

If that doesn't nothing else will.

[Monty]

They're sooooooo shiny.

What? their heads?


Yes, Hollands first name was Fred. And he lived near Swallow Gardens in 1891....could he be the mysterious City PC?*


Monty


* That'll draw em in Rob.

[Ally]

Ally,
Any real sudent of the case would have noted it immediately.

It is true. I am deeply, deeply ashamed.

Rob,

She only wants you for your award, ask Stephen.

Monty

They're sooooooo shiny.

[Rob Clack]

Rob,

She only wants you for your award, ask Stephen.

Monty

I'm fine with that

For anyone who doesn't know what Neil is on about, P.C Holland's first name has never (as far as I am aware) been published anywhere. In all the books you see it's just P.C Holland 814.

Rob

[Monty]

Ally,

Any real sudent of the case would have noted it immediately.

I rued already, very rued.


Rob,

She only wants you for your award, ask Stephen.

Monty

[Ally]

Ally,

Who you kidding? I know you want me....its like kicking the boy you fancy in the school playground.

One day when I am all grown up and a supermodel you will rue the day you didn't want me. RUE!

PS Frederick

Dammit. Subtlety and dilaudid do not mix.

[Rob Clack]

I still adore you from the tip of your shiny pate to the ends of your gnarly toes. And I know full well it was that dastardly bastard Neil and not you.

Well, I normally blame him for everything else sweety

[Monty]

I still adore you from the tip of your shiny pate to the ends of your gnarly toes. And I know full well it was that dastardly bastard Neil and not you.

Ally,

Who you kidding? I know you want me....its like kicking the boy you fancy in the school playground.

Monty


PS Frederick

[Monty]

Ive not read it yet.

Monty

[Ally]

Damn, that error is down to me and Neil.

I still adore you from the tip of your shiny pate to the ends of your gnarly toes. And I know full well it was that dastardly bastard Neil and not you.

[Rob Clack]

p. 60. typo: raised to 3rd pay rate of 32 shillings, then raised to second pay grade of....32 shillings. Hardly a raise, eh?

Damn, that error is down to me and Neil. Holland's pay was raised to 34 shillings.

And I don't know who's mistake this was (it wasn't mine) the photo on page 57 should read just 'Aldgate - 1883' and not 'Aldgate High Street - 1883'.

Rob

[Chris]

Just to set the record straight (again) about Aaron Kozminski's family - he did not have "sisters Betsy and Matilda, [a] brother Woolf [and] brothers-in-law Woolfe Abrahams and Morris Lubnowski", as stated in Simon Wood's article (p. 8).

Woolf Abrahams was Aaron's brother, not his brother-in-law, and Betsy was not Aaron's sister.

In the past, Woolf had been assumed to be Aaron's brother-in-law because the maiden name of Woolf's wife Betsy was Kozminski. But we now know that Betsy (originally Brucha) was the daughter of one Szlama Kozminski, and was married to Woolf (Wolek) Kozminski at Kolo in 1881, immediately before the couple came to England. In England, like the rest of Aaron's family, Woolf and Betsy were known by the surname Abrahams.