Can You Name this book/Author?

[albie]

Sorry if its unclear,

The first figures are as the crow flies, thats direct, stright line A-B, it ignores what is inbetween, such as houses, so its the geographical distance. what you get if you just draw a stright line on a map.

but of course thats not how one travels.

The second set are if you travel between the two points using the availble routes suchs as roads and passages.


Steve

Interesting. I wonder how Ivor Edward's could be so wrong. I myself dug out a map of the kill sites in a book. Hampered by the crease in the book I discovered that all the lengths between most of the killings were roughly the same. I still say the kill sites were forming a shape.

[etenguy]

Hi Etenguy

measured using the measuring tool on the National Library of Scotland site, which has the 93-95 OS Map. they will be within a yard i would suggest, depends on if i got thepointer dead on the murder sites, or very slightly off.


Steve

Thanks Elamarna, that sounds accurate, rather than estimated, figures to me. I read nothing into the coincidence within the figures, but it is a curiosity. I may for fun repeat your measurements and include all the distances between all five murder sites and possibly the Tabram site as well, just to see what patterns, if any, appear.

[Elamarna]

Apologies Elamarna, I wasn't clear. It was the measurements you posted I was referring to - not the 930/950 claim. When I saw the coincidence in your figures, I wondered if it was just that, a coincidence, or if we looked at the full set, we find a pattern in all or a sub set of the figures. Each successive distance is 29 yards longer than the one before it (except the last figure). I was looking at the as the crow flies figures. I suspect it is just a coincidence between the first three figures you posted. I meant to ask, are those figures accurate or ball park figures?

Hi Etenguy

measured using the measuring tool on the National Library of Scotland site, which has the 93-95 OS Map. they will be within a yard i would suggest, depends on if i got thepointer dead on the murder sites, or very slightly off.


Steve

[etenguy]

I disagree,
i do not know if the book gives the distance as the crow flies or by road.

the figures i have given for routes that were posted earlier in the thread.

if it as the crow flies then two, 3-4 & 3-5 are close to the claim of 950 yards, one is along way off 880 as opposed to the claimed 930, the other is some 17 yards out, if theseclaims are accurate, that is simply not good enough.

however if the distance is by road, then nothing is with 50 yards of the claims.


Steve

Apologies Elamarna, I wasn't clear. It was the measurements you posted I was referring to - not the 930/950 claim. When I saw the coincidence in your figures, I wondered if it was just that, a coincidence, or if we looked at the full set, we find a pattern in all or a sub set of the figures. Each successive distance is 29 yards longer than the one before it (except the last figure). I was looking at the as the crow flies figures. I suspect it is just a coincidence between the first three figures you posted. I meant to ask, are those figures accurate or ball park figures?

[Elamarna]

Elamarna

Are those figures accurate, because if so, that is one bizarre coincidence. The only outlier is 3 to 5, but then you have used 3 as a starting point twice. I think it is worth measuring the full set to see if the other distances fit the pattern. I'm not convinced this has anything to do with magic or ritual, but if the pattern holds it will need some explanation.

I disagree,
i do not know if the book gives the distance as the crow flies or by road.

the figures i have given for routes that were posted earlier in the thread.

if it as the crow flies then two, 3-4 & 3-5 are close to the claim of 950 yards, one is along way off 880 as opposed to the claimed 930, the other is some 17 yards out, if theseclaims are accurate, that is simply not good enough.

however if the distance is by road, then nothing is with 50 yards of the claims.


Steve

[etenguy]

Sorry if its unclear,

The first figures are as the crow flies, thats direct, stright line A-B, it ignores what is inbetween, such as houses, so its the geographical distance. what you get if you just draw a stright line on a map.

but of course thats not how one travels.

The second set are if you travel between the two points using the availble routes suchs as roads and passages.


Steve

Elamarna

Are those figures accurate, because if so, that is one bizarre coincidence. The only outlier is 3 to 5, but then you have used 3 as a starting point twice. I think it is worth measuring the full set to see if the other distances fit the pattern. I'm not convinced this has anything to do with magic or ritual, but if the pattern holds it will need some explanation.

[Elamarna]

Hmmm. Thanks for that.

So you cannot get any more accurate? Not sure what your figures mean. Are you saying, for instance, that site 1 to 2 is BETWEEN 888 yards and 980 yards?

That seems pretty variable.

Sorry if its unclear,

The first figures are as the crow flies, thats direct, stright line A-B, it ignores what is inbetween, such as houses, so its the geographical distance. what you get if you just draw a stright line on a map.

but of course thats not how one travels.

The second set are if you travel between the two points using the availble routes suchs as roads and passages.


Steve

[Sam Flynn]

Here are the real distances.from the 93-95 OS and distance talk at the National Library of Scotland.

First coloumn Crow flies (going through buildings.) Second coloumn by road.

site 1 to 2 888yards 980yards
site 2 to 4 917yards 1192 yards
site 3 to 4 946 yards 1165 yards
site 3 to 5 952 yards 1129 yards

Whether we go by crow or by road, there certainly aren't the neat matches that Ivor Edwards claimed to have found. Nice work, Steve.

[Michael W Richards]

This reminds me of the moon phase argument, and is just as likely. Or rather unlikely.

[albie]

Hmmm. Thanks for that.

So you cannot get any more accurate? Not sure what your figures mean. Are you saying, for instance, that site 1 to 2 is BETWEEN 888 yards and 980 yards?

That seems pretty variable.

[Elamarna]

[QUOTE=albie;458153]Well, we don't know how sloppy or accurate he was. But here's the results of his measurements.

The distance from site 1 to site 2 was 930 yards
The distance from site 2 to site 4 was 930 yards
The distance from site 3 to site 4 was 950 yards
The distance from site 3 to site 5 was 950 yards
These are the measurements found using a map. Ivor Edwards also confirmed the distance with a surveyor's wheel.
Also "Compass bearings were taken in the field it was found that sites 1,2,3,4 were located due east, south, north and west."

If true then this proves that the attacks were not just by some random maniac. if anyone has a map of the murder area and can disprove Ivor Edward's findings that would be good.[/QUOTE


Here are the real distances.from the 93-95 OS and distance talk at the National Library of Scotland.

First coloumn Crow flies(going through buildings.)

Second coloumn by road.

site 1 to 2 888yards 980yards

site 2 to 4 917yards 1192 yards

ste 3 to 4 946 yards 1165 yards

site 3 to 5 952 yards 1129 yards


So we have 2 as the crow flies which are close by . similarly 2 to 4 is reasonably close but 1 to 2 is 50 yards out.

And if using the routes that were actually availble the difference are very large.


Steve

[spyglass]

Also, this would only mess up one of several measurements. Can we confirm that Kelly's murder site isn't where Edwards thought it was?

As I remember it, the actual murder site was further up on the opposite side of the road where the warehouse type building was ( now gone I believe )
As for distance, I couldn't really say, but guessing about 30/50 yards.
But I stand to be corrected on that.

[albie]

Also, this would only mess up one of several measurements. Can we confirm that Kelly's murder site isn't where Edwards thought it was?

[albie]

Hi,
The one problem with the book is that where he measured and pin pointed where Kelly was murdered, he was using the older and incorrect location of the multi story car park ramp.

Regards.

How much did this err from the real site?

[Sam Flynn]

Yet you believe in bizarre coincidences. Or ignore them? This is proof that the ripper was no random killer.

Also, consider this...

As I think we've already pointed out, the very fact that those figures are so rounded should immediately raise alarm bells. And the idea that the Ripper wanted to manoeuvre his victims into precise locations relative to the other murders is ridiculous.