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  • Sinister??

    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    I see the shadow of an outstretched arm and hand on the wall behind the standing man.

    something extremely sinister is going on here.
    Why?

    And have you considered that's part of the wall decoration?
    Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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    Von Konigswald: Jack the Ripper plays shuffleboard. -- Happy Birthday, Wanda June by Kurt Vonnegut, c.1970.
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    • Hi David,

      "And is that the only issue you are raising about the illustration?"

      For the moment, yes.

      In the meantime, who was Mr. Moyermann?

      Regards,

      Simon
      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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      • Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
        Hi David,

        "And is that the only issue you are raising about the illustration?"

        For the moment, yes.
        Right, well that's been resolved hasn't it? You obviously didn't know what the scapular being referred to was, which is no doubt why you wrote in #77 that Pigott was "draped in a scapular".

        So that's the illustration dealt with and there's nothing suspicious about it.

        Pigott committed suicide didn't he? Do you know of reason at all so suggest otherwise?

        Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
        In the meantime, who was Mr. Moyermann?
        What game are we playing now. Trivial Pursuit?

        Why are you asking me?

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        • Hi David,

          Surely you encountered him whilst busily translating the Spanish newspapers.

          Regards,

          Simon
          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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          • Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
            Surely you encountered him whilst busily translating the Spanish newspapers.
            Yes I did. I assume he was the hotel interpreter.

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            • Originally posted by David Orsam View Post
              Yes I did. I assume he was the hotel interpreter.
              Actually, no it wasn't. Having re-run the translation from the Spanish I can now see that Moyermann must have been the name used by Pigott when he registered at the Hotel de Embajadores, at least according to the Spanish press. The British Ambassador understood he was using the name Roland Ponsonby (because this was the name Pigott had used in a telegram to a representative of the Times) and this was the information given to the police officer who went to arrest him. Presumably Pigott was the only mysterious "Englishman" staying at the hotel - and matched the description provided by the British - so the police officer was given the man's room number. This explains the part of the report I posted from La Epoca in #127:

              "Apprised of this, Deputy Inspector Visier appeared at five-thirty at the said Hotel and asked for Sir Roland; although the name was different, the address that Mr. Visier had obtained coincided with that of the foreign guest in room number 3."
              Last edited by David Orsam; 07-24-2017, 01:10 PM.

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              • Originally posted by David Orsam View Post
                The officers from Scotland-yard having fully identified the body, a post-mortem examination was held, and it is stated that Pigott’s brain was found to be abnormally large. The remains were buried with the clothes, in the Roman Catholic Cemetery."[/I]...


                [B]The damage done by the projectile was terrible. It is already known how Pigott committed suicide: the bullet penetrated the upper part of the palatine veil, destroying the base of the skull, and consequently the [maxillary] apophysis, the cerebellum to its anterior part and in one of its two lobes, and finally, the occipital or posterior lobes of the brain, having its exit hole through the same occipital vertex, further fracturing the two parietals.
                I wonder about the contrasting information in the above 2 sections from your quote. Surely the damage described would make it virtually impossible to assess the brains size when it was intact?
                Michael Richards

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                • Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
                  I wonder about the contrasting information in the above 2 sections from your quote. Surely the damage described would make it virtually impossible to assess the brains size when it was intact?
                  Why do you say that?

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                  • Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
                    Surely the damage described would make it virtually impossible to assess the brains size when it was intact?
                    If they still had a reasonably intact skull, and/or were able to roughly reassemble it, they could have estimated the size of the brain.
                    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                    • I can, incidentally, confirm that the officer who accompanied Inspector Quinn to Madrid, said in Simon's book to be 'Sergeant Richard Owen', but in press reports described as 'Sergeant Richard Lowe', was, in fact, Constable Richard Lowe.

                      I have amended part 3 of my Quadrilogy accordingly.

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                      • This extract from a report in the Dublin Weekly Nation of 9 March 1889 may be the most accurate account of Pigott's suicide (possibly more so than the Spanish newspaper I quoted from earlier in this thread). As usual, the report states that the Spanish inspector knocked on Pigott's hotel room door and asked him to accompany him, then:

                        "Pigott, without any sign of emotion, put on his overcoat, took his hat and umbrella, and left his room and went as far as the stairs with the inspector and the interpreter. Then he quickly retraced his steps to the bedroom, calling to the interpreter that he was going for his cards. The others did not follow him into the bedroom and actually waited for him in the corridor outside. Pigott went into the alcove of his room, took a revolver from the small leather bag he had brought with him and shot himself dead. He must have fired the shot into his mouth, as it shattered the skull and upper part of the mouth. ...The judge's first step was to send for a doctor, who declared the death of Pigott had been immediate, the bullet having traversed the brain."

                        So there we see in full a perfect answer to Simon's observation that different newspapers say different things. If the above account is correct then Pigott first went to collect his hat AND coat (and umbrella) - thus disarming the inspector into thinking he was leaving the hotel with him - before going back to collect his cards. This no doubt explains the differing versions of what Pigott was returning to collect. It was basically all of them - his hat, coat and cards - but at different times. A very straightforward misunderstanding.

                        Also interesting in the above report is that the investigating judge immediately sent for a doctor who confirmed that Pigott died from a bullet through the brain. I honestly don't know how anyone can doubt it.

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                        • Bearing in mind Simon Wood's penchant for obtaining his information about what happened in 1889 from drawings, no doubt this will resolve any lingering doubt in his mind as to what happened to Richard Pigott.
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                          • Hi David,

                            Even I know Pigott didn't stick a revolver up his nose.

                            Also that there was nobody else with Pigott in the room at the fatal moment.

                            Or was there?

                            Regards,

                            Simon
                            Last edited by Simon Wood; 07-25-2017, 02:53 PM. Reason: spolling mistook
                            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                            • Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                              Hi David,

                              Even I know Pigott didn't stick a revolver up his nose.

                              Also that there was nobody else with Pigott in the room at the fatal moment.

                              Or was there?
                              Ah, I thought you might get confused.

                              It's not a photograph Simon!!!

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                              • Now, Simon, having lured you out into the open, how about an answer to my question in the first part of my #153 (of which you only responded to the second part):

                                Pigott committed suicide didn't he? Do you know of [any] reason at all so suggest otherwise?

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