THE JACK THE RIPPER LOCATION PHOTOGRAPHS : Dutfield's Yard and the Whitby Collection

[George Hutchinson]

Some of these posts speak for themselves and I have no need to comment. It will be clear to everyone to make what they wish of the statements within.

However, for the few who have made me hang my head in shame at my unmitigated evil in having a publisher that placed a tiny section from a photo right up to the spine so I can make a fortune and show the photo filling up a double page instead of half a page, daring to make details visible, here's your little extra. Don't all wet yourselves.



I have to say, it changes my whole perception of the case.

For those who claim it is ego and paranoia I say to you two words : Andrew Cook.

I've nothing more to choose to say on the subject. Those who've never met me, who openly say they know nothing about me, continue with your theorising. Then, when you've calmed down, feel free to go back to your theorising elsewhere on the site. Theories have never interested me.

PHILIP

[Dr. John Watson]

While I don't begrudge anyone's profiting from their discovery of an historic artifact such as the Dutfield's Yard photo, I do think the deliberate splitting of the photo between two pages of the book is cheap and dishonest. Whatever the author's stated motive may be, the end result is to cheat buyers of the book out of what they paid for and have every right to expect - an unfettered and unadulterated view of the subject photo. Such an action goes beyond paranoia and ego. It betrays a deeper character defect usually described as an "anal personality," where power is gained by the act of denial. I think Mr. Winsett, and any other buyer of this book, has every right to feel cheated. The author should be ashamed of himself, and potential buyers of this book - and any future book - should be forewarned.

[protohistorian]

I thank you for your generosity to our shared field of endeavor. On behalf of future students, I give a special thanks. Well Done Sir. Respectfully Dave

[Monty]

Sweat on boys and girls
I gave my book to this site years ago, without copyright, or split pages, and I have watched many purloin that material without a single objection.
There is a wider picture here, and that is the simple truth.
Some are not big enough for that simplicity.

Unbelievable. No, genuinely unbelievable.

Im still waiting on a refund on your book then AP. Seeing as I bought a copy of it, then you put it on line for free. Many, many years after it was first published, and I many be wrong, when it was out of print.

Now what were we saying about ego?

John,

You are entiled to your opinion. I think we are all in agreement with that.

Norma, Don,

I think a lot of people must realise that sometimes an authors make financial sacrifices in order to obtain the information we all enjoy.

Mere articles for Ripperologist, for which contributors are not paid, have information in them which have had to be purchased from the suppiler, and who pays for that?

Monty

[DVV]

Holy Cow, I'm sorry I brought this whole thing up! Let me clarify my point before it gets too far out of hand. I supported Phillip on his plans to publish and get compensated for his work. Who wouldn't. My problem is the whole reason for the book is the Dutfield's photo. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I live in the US and it costs a pretty penny to get things shipped here. So when I shell out money for a product I expect it to be somewhat of a fair deal. In this case it's not. The book itself is terrific and full of great pics and info but the DF pic in my opinion was presented poorly because of an ego/parnoia concerning money. It must be money or else the pic would not have been split. If you look at the last page of the book with all the folks posing and phillip holding the DF pic, look at the pic and then look at the DF pic in the book and tell me which you would've preferred. After looking over the book again I've decided to keep it and will probably order phillips other book too. I mean no ill will towards Phillip and hope he gets more than 3% on his works. I also hope he will rectify the situation later and post a complete, unmolested pic on his website soon for all to study and enjoy. I hope Phillip and everyone sees my point but if not.......

John

Hi John,

I see your point....but my problem with Philip's book is different.
It's about the content... of my letterbox.
I check it daily...no book.
Although I've ordered it for more than 2 weeks.

Amitiés,
David

[Supe]

Norma,

Well I agree that writers need to be paid,how would they live otherwise? With a begging bowl?

LOL I've been there, too, and when younger there were always navvy jobs to get through tight spots. In fact, I was actually told I showed a certain aptitude digging ditches--not sure if that was a compliment.

Don.

[John Winsett]

Holy Cow, I'm sorry I brought this whole thing up! Let me clarify my point before it gets too far out of hand. I supported Phillip on his plans to publish and get compensated for his work. Who wouldn't. My problem is the whole reason for the book is the Dutfield's photo. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I live in the US and it costs a pretty penny to get things shipped here. So when I shell out money for a product I expect it to be somewhat of a fair deal. In this case it's not. The book itself is terrific and full of great pics and info but the DF pic in my opinion was presented poorly because of an ego/parnoia concerning money. It must be money or else the pic would not have been split. If you look at the last page of the book with all the folks posing and phillip holding the DF pic, look at the pic and then look at the DF pic in the book and tell me which you would've preferred. After looking over the book again I've decided to keep it and will probably order phillips other book too. I mean no ill will towards Phillip and hope he gets more than 3% on his works. I also hope he will rectify the situation later and post a complete, unmolested pic on his website soon for all to study and enjoy. I hope Phillip and everyone sees my point but if not.......

John

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Don.
Well I agree that writers need to be paid,how would they live otherwise? With a begging bowl?
Best
Norma

[Natalie Severn]

Sweat on boys and girls
I gave my book to this site years ago, without copyright, or split pages, and I have watched many purloin that material without a single objection.
There is a wider picture here, and that is the simple truth.
Some are not big enough for that simplicity.

Credit where credit is due. Absolutely you did Cap"n as well as being so generous as to freely send me a collectors item -from your collection,delivered to me by the author of the above book!How time alters things........Your book though has helped me enormously over the past few years,"Who was Jack the Ripper"-A Collection of Present day theories and observations.BRILLIANT!

[Supe]

Norma,

Thanks for your words, but my reply was not addressing either the particular book under discussion or the field of Ripperology in general. Rather, I object to AP's repeated suggestions that writers, unlike the rest of those who labor, ought do that work for free.

As it is, let it be known I have yet to make a single Yankee cent from my Ripperological musings, far less a Yankee dollar. And, yes, I've often written things gratis for charities and non-profits (too often, according to family and friends), but my own decision and I would not necessarily urge that upon others.

Don.

[Cap'n Jack]

Sweat on boys and girls
I gave my book to this site years ago, without copyright, or split pages, and I have watched many purloin that material without a single objection.
There is a wider picture here, and that is the simple truth.
Some are not big enough for that simplicity.

[Natalie Severn]

Don,
However,in the case of Jack the Ripper and his murder and mutilation of a number of women, it can be reasonable and legitimate to ask about the way the material is presented regarding monetary gain.If the material is as factual as possible and not sensational,then, imo ,thats acceptable and useful and in the case of the book in question there is a lot more to interest and inform about the East End past than just the Autumn of terror.The whole collection is a fascinating document actually---as seen on a small screen a few months ago!
Best
Norma

[Supe]

AP,

who are not looking to make a quick Yankee dollar

Tell you what, I am more more than willing to settle for a slow Yankee dollar. For most of my life I have survived by what I have been able to write and I'll be damned if I would give up freely the sweat of my literary brow any more than the artisan gives away what he makes or the auto mechanic fixes a car gratis. You may well be in a position to be a latter-day Lady Bountiful, but most of the rest of us are not so don't presume to lecture me about intellectual philanthropy.

Don.

[Ally]

I thought it was Paul Webb? Confused, am I. I am also confused how Phil knew Cap'n had replied if he has him on ignore though...since no one had replied after....

So many confusing things so little time.

[Monty]

You smack of hypocrosy AP.

Your own book was not initially issued to the masses free of charge. Hard earned cash was handed over to you and/or your publishers.

So stand down off that moral thrown, you're undeserving.

Monty