Jack the Ripper Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety

[Herlock Sholmes]

Now you're talking Herlock!

Love,

Caz
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I forgot, i like Japan too. Anything with Sylvian really.

At heart im a prog rock man though

[Herlock Sholmes]

And I am a Houdini guy, a personal hero of mine, so I tend to have some issues with Doyle, not as a writer mind you, there I am quite a fan, but of the man himself, but this is something for a different thread...and possibly even a Rippercast

Steadmund Brand

Im definitely on the Houdini side of the Spiritualist debate Stead. Im afraid Doyle became obsessed by little more than wishful thinking. The Cottingley Fairies episode was embarrassing.
Then he married, and became enthralled by a charlatan, Jean, with her ‘spirit guide.’ Aaaagggghhh.

I wish that we could just ‘delete’ that part of his life.

I did read a biography of Houdini a few years ago. A remarkable man

[Robert]

Caz, I think 'True' was a great record.

[Robert]

It was Oscar Wilde. A medium told him that he'd murder and mutilate several women, so he did the crimes to get them out of the way.

Regards

Sav

[Steadmund Brand]

You might be able to Stead but happily Dale (the Van Gogh man) is having to try to raise money to get his nonsense published because no one with a brain will touch it with a barge pole. I believe 100% in freedom of speech (without exception) but its incumbent on people to show ethical judgement. The fact that van Gogh was in France at the time of the murders and utterly penniless should deter anyone from a character assassination but sadly its not the case. Likewise the Doyle book. An author that we know so much about. A particular hero of mine as you might guess from my name. As you will know, there is not a single, solitary smidgeon of evidence again him and yet the character assassination went on. Its very, very sad what people will do for nothing other than cash or five minutes of infamy.

And I am a Houdini guy, a personal hero of mine, so I tend to have some issues with Doyle, not as a writer mind you, there I am quite a fan, but of the man himself, but this is something for a different thread...and possibly even a Rippercast

Steadmund Brand

[caz]

Yes, we do Herlock. It all began some months earlier, well before the start of the Jack the Ripper murders.

This is from my now famous online article, "The English Detective":

"By way of background, the British Government, on 8 March 1884, had ordered that the baggage of all passengers arriving in the United Kingdom from foreign countries would be searched for dynamite or other explosives. This, inevitably, created inconvenience at customs for passengers arriving in the U.K, and, some four years later, on 22 March 1888, Richard Prowse, Secretary to the Board of Customs, wrote to the Home Secretary informing him that:

'...the Board of Customs have under consideration an application from the London and North Western Railway Company requesting that the Baggage of Passengers arriving at Liverpool from America and proceeding over the company's line to London may, if registered for London, be sent thither from Liverpool, in locked vans and undergo the requisite customs examination at the Euston Square terminus in London; and that there is reason to believe that an application to the same effect will be received from the Midland Railway company with respect to the Baggage of passengers from America who may come to London by that company's line to St Pancras terminus' (HO 45/9686/A48584).

The views of the Assistant Commissioner of the C.I.D. were sought on the railway company's application and, on 2 April 1888, James Monro, who did not like the idea, wrote to the Home Office saying:

'If it was considered necessary that police should be present at the examination of luggage, this could not be effected without employing a considerable number of constables' (HO 45/9686/A48584)."

This led to further correspondence which prompted Warren's letter of 23 October.

Hi David,

I'm now waiting for someone to argue that the authorities were anticipating Tumblety's arrival in the UK back in 1884 and taking reasonable precautions, knowing he was a violent woman hater who might well turn his hand to serial killing, if not in Whitechapel Liverpool, then in Whitechapel London.

I was only joshing by the way about Spandau Ballet. I didn't actually mind them back in the 80s, but I don't think time has been kind to the music. And my better half wouldn't give 'em house room. Mind you, he's more of a mod, jazz and soul man.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

Im quite partial to a bit of Kraftwerk Stead

Now you're talking Herlock!

Love,

Caz
X

[Herlock Sholmes]

Well too bad...cause Doyle it was.....Doyle working with Van Gogh and Joseph Merrick calling themselves the trilogy of evil....Doyle was the brains....Van Gogh the muscle and Merrick was the decoy....very much like the Lon Chaney film The Unholy Three!!!!
If not for Houdini and his brother Hardeen (both kids at the time...but already super genius) the murders may have contined.....but you have to wait for the book for the reasons why.....MY book not David's ..just to be clear....

And yes....I am joking....just showing how wild this field can get (because I would be willing to bet I could find a publisher for that in a heartbeat!!!)

Steadmund Brand

You might be able to Stead but happily Dale (the Van Gogh man) is having to try to raise money to get his nonsense published because no one with a brain will touch it with a barge pole. I believe 100% in freedom of speech (without exception) but its incumbent on people to show ethical judgement. The fact that van Gogh was in France at the time of the murders and utterly penniless should deter anyone from a character assassination but sadly its not the case. Likewise the Doyle book. An author that we know so much about. A particular hero of mine as you might guess from my name. As you will know, there is not a single, solitary smidgeon of evidence again him and yet the character assassination went on. Its very, very sad what people will do for nothing other than cash or five minutes of infamy.

[Steadmund Brand]

Well too bad...cause Doyle it was.....Doyle working with Van Gogh and Joseph Merrick calling themselves the trilogy of evil....Doyle was the brains....Van Gogh the muscle and Merrick was the decoy....very much like the Lon Chaney film The Unholy Three!!!!
If not for Houdini and his brother Hardeen (both kids at the time...but already super genius) the murders may have contined.....but you have to wait for the book for the reasons why.....MY book not David's ..just to be clear....

And yes....I am joking....just showing how wild this field can get (because I would be willing to bet I could find a publisher for that in a heartbeat!!!)

Steadmund Brand

[Herlock Sholmes]

By the way Mike ive just read the debate between David and Jonathon and if you feel that thats an example of David being dominated you have a different interpretation of the word than me.

Why do some authors hate criticism? JH seemed very happy to bestow effusive compliments about David’s Suckered Trilogy but was less that happy when David turned his attention to one section of his own book.

Debates shouldnt be personal. Ive never known David to be personal.

I have learned something else about David though, his age. Hes a little younger than me.

And by the way, before i get accused of bias, i enjoyed Jonathan’s book. Ill make an admission here that i dont think that ive done on this Forum before. I dont think that we know who JTR was and i dont think that we ever will but if i had to have a go on the great ‘ripper lottery’ and pick a suspect it would probably be Druitt (or maybe Kosminski, or maybe Bury.) But with no real level of confidence. Ill listen to arguments in favour of anyone apart from Van Gogh and Doyle. Especially Doyle!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

I hope you dont mind me saying, but you are very distictive and would not be mistaken for anyone else.

Steve

I knew it was a bad idea to wear the dress and the welders mask in The Ten Bells

[Elamarna]

Thanks for that Steve. Glad to hear that it was me and not Pierre pretending to be me (or David) or vice versa.

I hope you dont mind me saying, but you are very distictive and would not be mistaken for anyone else.

Steve

[Herlock Sholmes]

By the way Mike ive just read the debate between David and Jonathon and if you feel that thats an example of David being dominated you have a different interpretation of the word than me.

Why do some authors hate criticism? JH seemed very happy to bestow effusive compliments about David’s Suckered Trilogy but was less that happy when David turned his attention to one section of his own book.

Debates shouldnt be personal. Ive never known David to be personal.

I have learned something else about David though, his age. Hes a little younger than me.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Just to confirm i have met Herlock, we drank a few pints in the Ten Bells. He then went on a Richard Jones Tour. If memory serves right lead by John Bennett on that occasion.



Steve

Thanks for that Steve. Glad to hear that it was me and not Pierre pretending to be me (or David) or vice versa.

[Elamarna]

I didnt know any of the ‘facts’ about David until i read your comments Mike. I know absolutely nothing about David apart from the fact that he’s written 2 books that ive read (which i recommend to you Mike.)

More than one poster on here knows my real name as i occaisionally post on the Forum under that name. And in case you think im part of a conspiracy you can speak to Steve (Elamarna) who has met me and will confirm that im neither Pierre or David (Orsam or Barrat .) And to be completely accurate the best you should be willing to say is that its ‘highly unlikely’ that my real name is Herlock Sholmes as you cant be certain of the fact

Just to confirm i have met Herlock, we drank a few pints in the Ten Bells. He then went on a Richard Jones Tour. If memory serves right lead by John Bennett on that occasion.



Steve